Floyd and Pressure Fighters

[check hook]

I rewatched the Cotto fight and can see that Mayweather struggles more with a guy who cuts off the ring and puts the pressure on him. This was how both De La Hoya and Cotto had success. At the same time - neither of them are know to be effective pressure fighters.

The only other closest thing would've been Ricky Hatton, but he's a mauler, more than a high-output fighter.

This is why Floyd has been given heat for fighting these three fighters: Antonio Margarito, Paul Williams, and Manny Pacquiao. They all have one thing in common - high punch output and pressure.

Everyone Floyd has fought that I can remember have been boxer-punchers or boxers. There hasn't been someone who tried to go to war with him since Cotto and De La Hoya - the same two who have seen the most success against Mayweather.

Feel free to point my observation wrong.

You killed your entire argument by bringing the ODLH fight up at all. Floyd barely got out of third gear in that fight and Oscar did very little effective pressuring in that fight.

[RawDawgHasSpokn]

Cotto appeared to have more success because of the style in which Floyd fought that night. You can't say for sure what marg or pwill would have down in a fight with FMJ. Only a few fighters have tried to actually fight their own fight or stick with their game plan in the ring with Floyd. Pwill had the best chance based on reach and pace but ring IQ...........And margarito......too slow and hittable. His face would be raggedy by the 6th.

[thuggery]

Margarito, Williams, Pacquiao, etc would have beaten him

but muh health

[damuttz112]

When you are talking about rounds lost over an entire career,

That's fucking dominance right there'.

[-PBP-]

There is no right or wrong way to fight him. You just have to be smart, skilled and have a good game plan.

Slow and flat footed will get your ass picked apart.

[hugh grant]

Floyd has not only not fought proper pressure fighters, he also gets more protection than he should, so that the pressure fighters cant be at their best, cos the ref is always on their case.

Basically, Floyd has been cherry picking his whole career, but that is the worst kept secret in the world.

[The Big Dunn]

I rewatched the Cotto fight and can see that Mayweather struggles more with a guy who cuts off the ring and puts the pressure on him. This was how both De La Hoya and Cotto had success. At the same time - neither of them are know to be effective pressure fighters.

The only other closest thing would've been Ricky Hatton, but he's a mauler, more than a high-output fighter.

This is why Floyd has been given heat for fighting these three fighters: Antonio Margarito, Paul Williams, and Manny Pacquiao. They all have one thing in common - high punch output and pressure.

Everyone Floyd has fought that I can remember have been boxer-punchers or boxers. There hasn't been someone who tried to go to war with him since Cotto and De La Hoya - the same two who have seen the most success against Mayweather.

Feel free to point my observation wrong.

You have some good points but your argument is problematic because PWill, Margs and Manny don't jab or fight like ODH or cotto. Most people in boxing suggest a fighter with a strong jab and not a pressure fighter would do bst against floyd.

I think the criticism for PWill, margs and manny is mostly because here on NSB posters always say the guys he didn't fight are the guys who would beat him. Like you, they cite these fighters offense. But a fight isn't just about offense.

All of these fighters would have their workrate reduced when in with floyd. All of these fighters do their best work in close-which floyd could negate with his reach-save for PWill who didn't use his reach to his advantage.

i would have loved to see all of these fights. I just hope that any analysis of these fantasy fights is complete. It cant just be these guys throw alot so they'd beat floyd.

[The Big Dunn]

Floyd has not only not fought proper pressure fighters, he also gets more protection than he should, so that the pressure fighters cant be at their best, cos the ref is always on their case.

Basically, Floyd has been cherry picking his whole career, but that is the worst kept secret in the world.

you said he wouldn't fight Hatton and then he destroyed him. You still on this stuff 6 years later. Get over yourself dude. Floyd KTFO of the guy you said he wouldn't fight because he couldn't beat.

[Frank Ducketts]

I rewatched the Cotto fight and can see that Mayweather struggles more with a guy who cuts off the ring and puts the pressure on him. This was how both De La Hoya and Cotto had success. At the same time - neither of them are know to be effective pressure fighters.

The only other closest thing would've been Ricky Hatton, but he's a mauler, more than a high-output fighter.

This is why Floyd has been given heat for fighting these three fighters: Antonio Margarito, Paul Williams, and Manny Pacquiao. They all have one thing in common - high punch output and pressure.

Everyone Floyd has fought that I can remember have been boxer-punchers or boxers. There hasn't been someone who tried to go to war with him since Cotto and De La Hoya - the same two who have seen the most success against Mayweather.

Feel free to point my observation wrong.

You're not wrong, but the only fighter who had success pressuring Floyd is Jesus Chavez. No other fighter since has put that kind of pressure on Floyd.

Baldomir tried, but he was way too slow. Cotto and Dlh pressured Floyd but couldn't hit him flush. Chavez hit Floyd clean, cut the ring off, cut Floyd...and busted his nose.

Williams, Margarito and Pac didn't/don't have the kind of pressure that would trouble Floyd. Pac too small, and Williams and Margarito were too slow. Margarito was slow as molasses which is why Shane almost killed him. Williams got hit too much, and Pac would be fighting someone who was faster than him.

To this day not even Castillo put up the kind of pressure that Jesus Chavez put on Floyd.

[billeau2]

Castillo gave him hell, that was the fight that gave Floyd the image of a runner. He was going all over the ring fighting scary int he first fight, the rematch he fought super cautious. Floyd at 130 was more of a combo in and out puncher he threw a lot of timed punches and went for the KO, the first Castillo fight changed him.

Castillo sparred with Manny for the Cotto fight in the Philippines and he said that Pacman would beat him.

Floyd also said Augustus gave him a tough fight, awkward and punches from bunches and angles, Floyd cannot fight guys who are unorthodox and aggressive with stamina.

He is a spot fighter who needs you to be flat footed and stationary so he can time you and get out fast. His face is open to the left straight hand as evidenced with Oscar and Cotto.

Margarito had an iron chin, high punch rate, and stamina, he was basically a bigger version of Castillo no way Floyd could hold up to that pressure, and Paul Willaims as well lots of pressure and stamina.


Floyd also said the fighter who would give him a tough fight would be Aaron Pryor and who was compared to Aaron Pryor ? Manny Pacquiao, Emmanuel Steward when he first saw Pacman compared Pac to Aaron Pryor and Henry Amrstrong because of his buzzsaw aggression and stamina at featherweight.

I can't think of a better purely technical analysis of what makes Floyd sweat at night... Great post.

Judah also gave him some problems early...why? because Floyd is not as fast as people think, he just has very untelegraphed punches. A guy like Jones who had unnatural speed and unorthodox angles might give him some troubles....you know someone like Judah who could hold it together past a few rounds. Whitaker is another example. A guy who cannot be countered conventionally.

An inherent weakness of Floyd's style (you see this with Toney who often uses the same shoulder roll) is against a straight hard...fast jab. The problem being that a jab can be too fast to counter off a shoulder roll and right cross. hence
de La Hoyas earlt success...but floyd adjusted to the jab because alas...a De La Hoya jab while a fine one is not on the order of somoene like a Tommy Hearns jab!! I don't know if Williams could do it...Williams has reach and output but I think Floyd can slow output and control, through his counter, many swarming attacks...There is quite a difference in the quality of a Paul Williams burst as compared to Aaron Pryer! Margarito? maybe.