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  • IronDanHamza
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    #11
    Originally posted by Money Team.
    Paul Williams Manny nor Margo had a jab and thats all Cotto or Oscar landed
    That's a good point.

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    • MoneyMayFan
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      #12
      Paul williams????? I never heard anybody in the real word say "man i want to see floyd vs paul williams" . He wasnt on the radar .

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      • HarvardBlue
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        #13
        Originally posted by Augustane
        I rewatched the Cotto fight and can see that Mayweather struggles more with a guy who cuts off the ring and puts the pressure on him. This was how both De La Hoya and Cotto had success. At the same time - neither of them are know to be effective pressure fighters.

        The only other closest thing would've been Ricky Hatton, but he's a mauler, more than a high-output fighter.

        This is why Floyd has been given heat for fighting these three fighters: Antonio Margarito, Paul Williams, and Manny Pacquiao. They all have one thing in common - high punch output and pressure.

        Everyone Floyd has fought that I can remember have been boxer-punchers or boxers. There hasn't been someone who tried to go to war with him since Cotto and De La Hoya - the same two who have seen the most success against Mayweather.

        Feel free to point my observation wrong.
        Mayweather didn't struggle with Cotto or De la Hoya. Yes he was hit a bit more than we're use to seeing but he was in control of both those fights. I think he struggled a bit with Hatton because he was being mauled like you pointed out. Once he settled down and Hatton got frustrated he was able to pick him apart. The only advantages Margarito and Williams had over a Mayweather were height and reach. I think he would have struggled against both of them but I see little evidence that he wouldn't be able beat them. Cotto had a lot of success against Margarito but he unable to stay away from his loaded gloves. Cotto's defense is weak. Mayweather is a better boxer and has way better defense. Lara was able to outbox Williams. Mayweather does everything better than Lara. Pacquiao is not a pressure a fight but he would have the best chance against Mayweather. However, if he Mayweather was able to make him miss, he would pick him apart too.
        Last edited by HarvardBlue; 10-07-2013, 07:06 PM.

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        • bojangles1987
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          #14
          Floyd's most difficult fights were against the best pressure fighters he ever fought. It's not a coincidence, and him looking good against Guerrero or Ortiz or Alvarez when they tried to pressure doesn't mean pressure doesn't work. It just meant he was beating guys who aren't pressure fighters but fought that way for Mayweather.

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          • SplitSecond
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            #15
            Originally posted by Money Team.
            Paul Williams Manny nor Margo had a jab and thats all Cotto or Oscar landed
            it's the left, not the jab, just the same with zab, when he shot it, he landed it

            pacquiao definitely has a left, best in the bidness

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              #16
              My argument is that Cotto and De La Hoya were never known as high volume/pressure fighters, but they were the closest things in Mayweather's resume that resembled that kind of fighter.

              I still believe fighters that relentlessly throw 900+ punches per fight, like Williams, Margarito, and Pacquiao, would give Mayweather his greatest problems. That is, considering Cotto, Hatton (to a lesser extent), and De La Hoya weren't boxed to pieces like Guerrero and Canelo.

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              • dc3383
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                #17
                Cotto best success was Floyd fought flat footed off the ropes not pressure Floyd threw close to one hundred punches than Cotto I wouldn't call that being pressured. Oscar landed jabs that's it but he has one of the best jabs ever and thats the same thing with Cotto. A wild pressure fighter like Paul Williams or Margarito would get picked apart. Manny like others said isn't a pressure fighter his best quality would be he's a instictive fighter which would give a little better shot. A tall rangy boxer with a rocket jab is the best type of fighter who could probably beat him.

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                • Luilun
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Augustane
                  I rewatched the Cotto fight and can see that Mayweather struggles more with a guy who cuts off the ring and puts the pressure on him. This was how both De La Hoya and Cotto had success. At the same time - neither of them are know to be effective pressure fighters.

                  The only other closest thing would've been Ricky Hatton, but he's a mauler, more than a high-output fighter.

                  This is why Floyd has been given heat for fighting these three fighters: Antonio Margarito, Paul Williams, and Manny Pacquiao. They all have one thing in common - high punch output and pressure.

                  Everyone Floyd has fought that I can remember have been boxer-punchers or boxers. There hasn't been someone who tried to go to war with him since Cotto and De La Hoya - the same two who have seen the most success against Mayweather.

                  Feel free to point my observation wrong.
                  The Problem with Cotto and Delahoya is they are faders round 10 comes and they are done while Margarito, Williams and Pacquaio were still fresh in round 12. I think Williams and Margarito would have beat Floyd that's why they were avoided. Pacquiao of 2009 to 2010 would have been to much for Floyd but the 2011 to present is what Floyd looks for in a former prime fighter damage goods such as were Cotto and Delahoya

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                  • Jc8804
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                    #19
                    Paul williams would have beat the breaks off floyd at 147

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                      #20
                      Lol at pwill who can be hit at will, doesn't adjust and fights like a small man beating Floyd.

                      Lol at slugacheato beating Floyd

                      Lol @ PAC beating Floyd w

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