Does a "Roach Trained" Cotto Defeat Austin Trout?

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  • ny123
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    #21
    Originally posted by KeepItObjective
    No way was that close, Trout won 11-1 easy.
    Keep it objective homey...btw Khan schools your boy Alexander and possibly makes it burn late

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    • Beater_of_ass
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      #22
      If you think Cotto looked the same as the Trout fight you are an idiot, period. He looked slow, old and tired in the Trout fight. He looked fresh, sharp and strong in this one and it wasn't only because of the opponent. The fact is Cotto has been training himself since the Margarito loss, aside from the two fights with Steward Cotto was the boss. Also even if Pedro Diaz was actually running the camp he did a horrible job, professional is different than amateur boxing and so is how you train. Cotto had no business doing 150 rounds of sparring, he's a smart and experienced fighter what he needs is less, smarter work. People were clowning on him for riding a bike instead of running, but fail realize you can ride a bike 3-4 times longer and take WAY less damage on your body specifically your legs. Doing the punches in water is another great excercise for an older guy, it creats resistance but not forced down by weights it's just much better for your body.

      Most importantly the difference in the handspeed was the best improvement Roach made. Cotto just looked so much faster on his feet as well, just glaringly obvious he was ran into the ground training for Trout (also while not much caring to fight him in the first place.) You don't fight Mayweather then have that same fire to train for Austin Trout, I'm sorry but it just doesn't happen.

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        #23
        Originally posted by ny123
        That low level opponent Rodriguez fought Trout and the fight didn't make Trout look good at all. Cotto Trout was a 7-5 or 8-4 type fight that with a little more activity and different strategy could have been the same score going the other way. Why would you think Trout beats him "more easier" next time? First of all he didn't beat him easier the first time and second of all as history in boxing shows us in a rematch with proper changes a fighter who lost a close fight can win a rematch. I'm not saying Cotto beats Trout easily or destroys him but he can definitely win a close fight if they rematch.
        Originally posted by ny123
        As far as what Roach adds to Cotto I believe he is stressing that Cotto go back to the body and become a more offensive fighter. Those two things are what I think Cotto needed to get back to.
        Look am not even going to argue about this anymore, the great thing about my point is I have zero affiliation to Cotto, Rodriguez, trout or the trainers that trained Cotto before. I stand by my points doe and am willing to make that bet whenever the rematch gets made with Cotto training under Roach against Trout. Trout would be him easier and more convincingly. Now let me make this clear, I never said Cotto against trout was not close, it was a close fight that I was surprised Cotto lost because he was the house fighter and they were fighting in New York. My point is Cotto fighting and throwing body shots at a low level opposition doesn't mean he wasn't trained properly for the Trout and Mayweather fights, that's an insult to his trainers for those fights. Everytime Cotto loses there alway seems to be excuses lined up for him. Yes he looked good yesterday but it had nothing to do with his "new trainer" or the "new game plan", I could have trained Cotto yesterday and he would still do the samething that he did yesterday. When Cotto is beating the Mayweather's, Trouts or better competition under Roach, and throwing the "body shots" and landing against high calibre opponents then we can decide maybe his former trainers didn't train him properly or give him the right "gameplan".. Not when he comeback again Jennings, Rodriguez, foreman.

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        • Kagami Taiga
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          #24
          LMAO, we hear this hype about every trainer cotto goes to. i kinda feel sorry for cotto fans.

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            #25
            No matter what you think of last night's fight in terms of what it means for Cotto's future performances, the whole point is that Cotto has been mentally shot since the Margarito loss. Last night was the first fight where I've seen him with that type of ferocity and working at that pace. I quickly went back and watched his older fights, and believe it or not he was actually more aggressive last night than he was in 2007-2008.

            It could be the honest-to-goodness fact that he's no longer mentally deficient with his confidence in these fights. He truly looked dangerous in there.

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              #26
              Originally posted by ny123
              That low level opponent Rodriguez fought Trout and the fight didn't make Trout look good at all. Cotto Trout was a 7-5 or 8-4 type fight that with a little more activity and different strategy could have been the same score going the other way. Why would you think Trout beats him "more easier" next time? First of all he didn't beat him easier the first time and second of all as history in boxing shows us in a rematch with proper changes a fighter who lost a close fight can win a rematch. I'm not saying Cotto beats Trout easily or destroys him but he can definitely win a close fight if they rematch.

              I agree.. He should watch boxing more. I think Trout gets knocked out next time around.

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              • $mannyFresh
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                #27
                Cotto expected a decision win as long as he kept rounds competitive. He'd fight differently in a rematch and win. He had Trout a little hurt a few times in the first fight, I think he'd knock him out in a rematch.

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                  #28
                  Dunno what happen to Cotto in thatfight. Trout is NOT that good. He got the beat of Cottto that night. Maybe he wouldnt the next. Ive always said Cottos biggest down fall is he has a weak mind. He gives up. Gets discouraged and the fire goes out. If he can keep the rage going...hed stop Trout and Alvarez. Sergio...well that may be pushing it.

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                    #29
                    Soon as he steps up again he will be left with a face like a burst balloon.

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                    • DoktorSleepless
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                      #30
                      I don't understand why people were acting as if Trout schooled Cotto. It was a close fight. Even without Roach, if they fought multiple times, Cotto would is capable of winning at least 50% of the time.

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