In your opinion who is the GOAT

[crold1]

Because that's what he heard. He doesn't understand the era or the circumstance, and Im sure he doesn't know Burley said he didn't blame Robinson given those circumstances.

Or they were never in the same division long.

Or that Robinson never held a title to duck Burley to protect it. Rob was Welter champ four years after Burley last fought near 47 and Middle champ after Burley retired.

[-PBP-]

Its not being lazy or ignorant. People respect the older fighters but you cant say they can beat anyone today because you nor i have ever seen them fight but since video you can make that comparison.

Nobody is saying that though. Who in there right mind would pick this guy to kick prime Roy Jones' ass?:

of course you need to talk about a resume but that is not the only way to judge the greatest because people fight in different times and do things differently.

And that's why I said you have to compare skills AND resume. Greatness is about what you've accomplished. What you've accomplished has to do with "who you have beaten" and "when you beat them".

And athletes, training and nutrition methods evolve over time so it's ****** to determine greatness based on who would win in a fantasy fight. Who knows how Sugar Ray Robinson would do in today's landscape and who knows how Floyd would do in 15 round fights with smaller gloves and fighting 10-15 times per year?

[KeepItObjective]

Nobody is saying that though. Who in there right mind would pick this guy to kick prime Roy Jones' ass?:






And that's why I said you have to compare skills AND resume. Greatness is about what you've accomplished. What you've accomplished has to do with "who you have beaten" and "when you beat them".

And athletes, training and nutrition methods evolve over time so it's ****** to determine greatness based on who would win in a fantasy fight. Who knows how Sugar Ray Robinson would do in today's landscape and who knows how Floyd would do in 15 round fights with smaller gloves and fighting 10-15 times per year?

lmfaoooooooooooooooooo

[crold1]

Oh good, someone broke out the exaggerated commercial footage of Greb out of context for why videos were shot like that. Again. I mean, no matter there isn't even a ring.

[StarshipTrooper]

people only mention these old timers whos footage doesnt even exist to sound clever.

Or maybe they just put in the work to educate themselves those old-timers while you were too ****ing lazy to bother.

[StarshipTrooper]

Oh good, someone broke out the exaggerated commercial footage of Greb out of context for why videos were shot like that. Again. I mean, no matter there isn't even a ring.

And the thing is, you can find film of Ali ******* around in training just like that too but nobody tries to pass it off as evidence of his lack of skill. Everyone understands that it was just goofing off in camp. But then they'll turn around and crucify Greb for doing the same.

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Oh good, someone broke out the exaggerated commercial footage of Greb out of context for why videos were shot like that. Again. I mean, no matter there isn't even a ring.

Don't need a ring to see footwork and how they throw punches , technically they get murdered today , physically compared to modern elite fighters they don't have anything going for them but being tough .

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And the thing is, you can find film of Ali ******* around in training just like that too but nobody tries to pass it off as evidence of his lack of skill. Everyone understands that it was just goofing off in camp. But then they'll turn around and crucify Greb for doing the same.

Show me Greb snapping them out like a Roy Jones in any video .

[crold1]

Don't need a ring to see footwork and how they throw punches , technically they get murdered today , physically compared to modern elite fighters they don't have anything going for them but being tough .

Really? Of the Greb foes we have tape on like Norfolk, Walker, Tunney...which of those would be SO out of place in the modern era? Walker's footage stands up today with any great pressure fighter.

Greb beat all those guys. Maybe they all just stopped being modern when he beat them.

This is goofing off footage with an OLD O'Brien. Dempsey has similar training crap. His fights live up to the reporting of the day. Read what ws written about Greb.

[StarshipTrooper]

Show me Greb snapping them out like a Roy Jones in any video .

Show me Jones beating a fighter as good as Gene Tunney.