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grebs resume is so good that it put him in the top 10..........but obviously he can't be rated as greatest fighter of all time because he doesn't have the other 2 categories (skill & visual) go back and read the debate.....the debate is about "is geb the greatest of all time" my response is a very firm no........
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I agree with you fully , those early eras they did not have the training , tuition , or nutrition of modern day fighters , the sport didnt have it , the result of that is the whole lot where a grade lower than today , the titles are still one by the better guy , only the comp was much lower overall than today .
All they had was toughness , the power and speed game of today would blow them old time fighters out the ring , just like any other modern sport .
Too much emphasis is placed on notches on the handle , and titles , not enough is placed on how they box , the whole comp was of a lesser quality as trained fighters than they are today ,if you could fly them through a time machine they would get smashed by the modern era greats .
Look at their bodys , look at the technique , everything has improved so much from the 60s , including fighters , today they built and conditioned for speed and power and the game as a whole the fighters are bad ass explosive .
Here is the same comparison to your Grebs etc , the first one did great in its day won shtloads of Grand Prix titles , couldnt win sht today .
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You DO know that there's a huge difference between machines and human beings right? If you don't then you're an even bigger ****tard than you already appear to be :jerk0ff9:I agree with you fully , those early eras they did not have the training , tuition , or nutrition of modern day fighters , the sport didnt have it , the result of that is the whole lot where a grade lower than today , the titles are still one by the better guy , only the comp was much lower overall than today .
All they had was toughness , the power and speed game of today would blow them old time fighters out the ring , just like any other modern sport .
Too much emphasis is placed on notches on the handle , and titles , not enough is placed on how they box , the whole comp was of a lesser quality as trained fighters than they are today ,if you could fly them through a time machine they would get smashed by the modern era greats .
Look at their bodys , look at the technique , everything has improved so much from the 60s , including fighters , today they built and conditioned for speed and power and the game as a whole the fighters are bad ass explosive .
Here is the same comparison to your Grebs etc , the first one did great in its day won shtloads of Grand Prix titles , couldnt win sht today .
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Robinson was the greatest fighter in his era.
I rank by eras my dudes. Bill Russell would be lucky to win one championship in today's NBA.
From this era, the genius nonathletic mastermind combination puncher.Comment
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There is no difference in the technology gains in man , beast or machine or computers , evolution is a chain reaction that touches everything , EVERYTHING is faster smaller more powerful more economical better in every way because everything is pushed and tuned to its limits with so much scientific knowledge behind it , in Grebs day they didnt have a fridge .
Ive seen how far things have come in my 60 yrs , so best you pull your head out of your butt an wake up to what competition is all about , what sports science is all about , why every record is broken , why athletes are faster more powerful and more efficient , why modern racehorses and greyhounds can beat old time champs by 25 lengths based on time distance and how fast you can run it .
You kids are into too much bullsht , too much emotion , too much hype and not seeing the real world thats around you , its in you face and you cant see it , some idiots say Jack Johnson would beat Ali , well I say they got sht for brains !Comment
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You're kidding me, right? "Visual" defines greatness? Lmao!! You don't have to have seen a fight or been part of the moment to know a fighters great Look up Gene Tunney's account of his first fight with Greb. You can get a fantastic "visual" (lol) just from his words. If that doesn't work for you I can point you in the direction of many newspaper articles.class begins.........
dude, you pointed me towards a paid online community (i thought you were talking about historians such as mike silver, bert sugar, cus damato) even on the online community they themselves didn't have greb as number one. they had him at 2nd (which i don't know how they ranked greb over langford) i don't even know how they ranked duran over willie pep.
I'm thoroughly educated in historical boxing thats why you can't tell me anything that i know thats wrong. (from what I've noticed the wanna be boxingscene historians are just as delusional as the guys who's ranking roy jones as the GOAT)
greatness is defined by 3 things kiddo. skill, visual, & resume. (not skill alone, not visual alone, not resume alone) you must have a combination of those three.
skill includes.......the guys footwork. the way he cuts off the ring. the way he throws a jab, combination punching, digs to the body, bobs and weaves, tucks his chin. i could go on and on and on......all of these little things goes under his skill.
resume is obviously how great your competition is. title defenses, & so on.
visual is the memorable moments. the feeling that you felt when watching A thriller in manila or a ray robinson St. Valentines Day Massacre. (the greatness of the fight)
greb has a great resume but he fails at skills (because we don't know what he looks like) & the visual (he has no memorable fights in which we actually watched and was in *aw* from the performance)
robinson does.........robinsion is head and shoulders over almost everyone when it comes to those 3 combination of categories..........which makes him the greatest of all time.
"I know I can back my opinions up with facts and logic"
you do that sir................
As far as skills....no fighter beats as many greats as Greb and is unskilled. No fighter wins as many fights as Greb did over the type of comp he fought without being greatly skilled.
Resume? Arguably the best in history.
So please, Mr. I'm thoroughly educated in historical boxing, what exactly are you trying to educate me on?Comment
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