In your opinion who is the GOAT

[JAB5239]

grebs resume is so good that it put him in the top 10..........but obviously he can't be rated as greatest fighter of all time because he doesn't have the other 2 categories (skill & visual) go back and read the debate.....the debate is about "is geb the greatest of all time" my response is a very firm no........

Its funny, but I don't rate him #1 either, I reserve that for Langford. But its ridiculous to say its obvious he cant be rated the greatest when his credential speak for themselves.

[Reloaded]

You're kidding me, right? "Visual" defines greatness? Lmao!! You don't have to have seen a fight or been part of the moment to know a fighters great Look up Gene Tunney's account of his first fight with Greb. You can get a fantastic "visual" (lol) just from his words. If that doesn't work for you I can point you in the direction of many newspaper articles.

As far as skills....no fighter beats as many greats as Greb and is unskilled. No fighter wins as many fights as Greb did over the type of comp he fought without being greatly skilled.

Resume? Arguably the best in history.

So please, Mr. I'm thoroughly educated in historical boxing, what exactly are you trying to educate me on?

The whole grade was lower then , show me some video of Greb where he looks great by todays standards ? might have been great in those days but today gets murdered . .

[Enzo Mc is SHIT]

Sugar Ray Austin

[JAB5239]

The whole grade was lower then , show me some video of Greb where he looks great by todays standards ? might have been great in those days but today gets murdered . .

Look, you know nothing about boxing, its history or techniques. Now go play with your Lego's and let the adults talk.

[bojangles1987]

I agree with you fully , those early eras they did not have the training , tuition , or nutrition of modern day fighters , the sport didnt have it , the result of that is the whole lot where a grade lower than today , the titles are still one by the better guy , only the comp was much lower overall than today .

All they had was toughness , the power and speed game of today would blow them old time fighters out the ring , just like any other modern sport .

Too much emphasis is placed on notches on the handle , and titles , not enough is placed on how they box , the whole comp was of a lesser quality as trained fighters than they are today ,if you could fly them through a time machine they would get smashed by the modern era greats .

Look at their bodys , look at the technique , everything has improved so much from the 60s , including fighters , today they built and conditioned for speed and power and the game as a whole the fighters are bad ass explosive .

Here is the same comparison to your Grebs etc , the first one did great in its day won shtloads of Grand Prix titles , couldnt win sht today .

Yeah, these modern fighters throwing 400 punches in 12 rounds and gassing out by the 5th or 6th are in so much better condition than guys who went 15.

[crold1]

Yeah, these modern fighters throwing 400 punches in 12 rounds and gassing out by the 5th or 6th are in so much better condition than guys who went 15.

The biggest difference between eras comes in a needle.

[StarshipTrooper]

Look, you know nothing about boxing, its history or techniques. Now go play with your Lego's and let the adults talk.

Notice the assumption that anything that's different is automatically "inferior". That's how kids in grade school think:

Some kid is different from the others then that kid is inferior so make fun of him.

Old-school fighter's technique is different from what this eras fighters do then that technique is inferior.

It's the same kind of thinking really.

[dc3383]

By all accounts it Walker Smith or Cassius Clay

[Bushidō]

GOAT status for beating another GOAT

[Godsfly]

You're kidding me, right? "Visual" defines greatness? Lmao!! You don't have to have seen a fight or been part of the moment to know a fighters great Look up Gene Tunney's account of his first fight with Greb. You can get a fantastic "visual" (lol) just from his words. If that doesn't work for you I can point you in the direction of many newspaper articles.

As far as skills....no fighter beats as many greats as Greb and is unskilled. No fighter wins as many fights as Greb did over the type of comp he fought without being greatly skilled.

Resume? Arguably the best in history.

So please, Mr. I'm thoroughly educated in historical boxing, what exactly are you trying to educate me on?

kid, greatness is defined by 3 things that almost all boxing historians agree with. the greatness of a fight (such as a thrilla in manlia) meaning the memorable moments that you witnesses on film or in person. did the guy overcome adversity? how did he over come adversity? what tactic did he use to holt the other guys offense & so on. (visual) the last 2 are skills, & resume. greatness is not defined by just one of those attributes. thats why guys like bert sugar, mike silver, custa mato have never had greb close to being number one.........you just can't crown someone as the greatest fighter of all time just based on resume (you have to have a good combination of things) and not to be repetitive but in grebs case we really need to see some film before we can come close of doing that because greb was known as being a very dirty fighter. elbows, headbutts, bites, thumbing in the eyes. you name it. (even in those times where things were tougher he was known as an extremely dirty fighter) theres even been reports where greb has attacked referees (who tried to stop him from thumbing or biting)

also a lot of things were iffy in those days.

sometimes news reports wasn't reported correctly (nothing was set in stone as a fact if you didn't attend the event. if it wasn't filmed. or the 2 fighters didn't confirm the report themselves) thats why sam langford & jack johnson both have A "double" win against each other. when they fought the first and only time one reporter said that jack johnson won & another reporter said that langford won (it went down as a double win for both men in the news papers)

anyway i need you to explain more..........I will be here to explain to you up and down why greb is not even in my top 5.