Post Your Round-By-Round Scorecard for Lucas-Danny

[FrankieClutch]

Round 1: Garcia 10-9
Round 2: Lucas 10-9
Round 3: Lucas 10-9
Round 4: Garcia 10-9
Round 5: Lucas 10-9
Round 6: Lucas 10-9
Round 7: Garcia 10-9
Round 8: Garcia 10-9
Round 9: Garcia 10-9
Round 10: Lucas 10-9
Round 11: Garcia 10-8
Round 12: Garcia 9-9 (Point Deduction)

Scoring: 114-112 Garcia

[hitman smax]

10 point must ???

Maybe I've got it wrong.

[Citizen Koba]

As far as I'm aware, if a fighter scores a knockdown the automatically win the Round and the other fighter is deducted a point.

I.e a 10-8 Round.

This is typical, and standard practice, but I'm a little puzzled myself at the 10-9s that people are suggesting. I'd kinda thought that if one fighter is absolutely dominating a round, but somehow gets KDed anyway the score should be 9-9. Could be I'm wrong, but I'd thought KD rounds tend to be scored as a normal 10-9 with an extra point deducted for each KD. The normal state of affairs, and assumption, is of course that the guy scoring the KD is also winning the round, hence 10-8, 10-7 etc.

[CubanGuyNYC]

This is typical, and standard practice, but I'm a little puzzled myself at the 10-9s that people are suggesting. I'd kinda thought that if one fighter is absolutely dominating a round, but somehow gets KDed anyway the score should be 9-9. Could be I'm wrong, but I'd thought KD rounds tend to be scored as a normal 10-9 with an extra point deducted for each KD. The normal state of affairs, and assumption, is of course that the guy scoring the KD is also winning the round, hence 10-8, 10-7 etc.

The bold is correct. But the winner of a round must be awarded 10 points, unless he was deducted a point for a foul. I scored the eleventh round 10-8 Garcia, because I didn't think Matthysse dominated the round quite enough to score it 10-9 for Danny.

[Citizen Koba]

The bold is correct. But the winner of a round must be awarded 10 points, unless he was deducted a point for a foul. I scored the eleventh round 10-8 Garcia, because I didn't think Matthysse dominated the round quite enough to score it 10-9 for Danny.

You are of course, quite correct, I just spent the last few minutes re-reading the Must rules, but you patiently clarified it for me anyhows. Worthy of a green K, I believe. Thanks.

[Tom Cruise]

This is typical, and standard practice, but I'm a little puzzled myself at the 10-9s that people are suggesting. I'd kinda thought that if one fighter is absolutely dominating a round, but somehow gets KDed anyway the score should be 9-9. Could be I'm wrong, but I'd thought KD rounds tend to be scored as a normal 10-9 with an extra point deducted for each KD. The normal state of affairs, and assumption, is of course that the guy scoring the KD is also winning the round, hence 10-8, 10-7 etc.

I was confused aswell so looked it up online yesterday. I dont have the link to hand but from what i saw you are supposed to see it like this...

fighter is KD'd they automatically lose 2 points to make it 10-8

But if the other fighter completely dominates the rest of the round then they can earn back a point to make it 10-9 (round winner is still the fighter who knocked the other down). What you have to do to earn back the point seems to be subjective. Personally i dont think Matthysse did quite enough to earn back the point, but its definitely arguable as the KD was sketchy and before and after the KD it would have been a clear LM round

Seems illogical to me. They should just make it so a KD comes off like a point deduction. So you score the round as you see fit, then factor in any knockdown points. Which would make it a 9-9 round on my (and most other) cards and seems a fairer reflection of the action in the round.

[CubanGuyNYC]

You are of course, quite correct, I just spent the last few minutes re-reading the Must rules, but you patiently clarified it for me anyhows. Worthy of a green K, I believe. Thanks.

Right back atcha!

[bojangles1987]

Round 1: Garcia 10-9
Round 2: Lucas 10-9
Round 3: Lucas 10-9
Round 4: Garcia 10-9
Round 5: Lucas 10-9
Round 6: Lucas 10-9
Round 7: Garcia 10-9
Round 8: Garcia 10-9
Round 9: Garcia 10-9
Round 10: Lucas 10-9
Round 11: Garcia 10-8
Round 12: Garcia 9-9 (Point Deduction)

Scoring: 114-112 Garcia

Agreed. Maybe one of those early rounds for Lucas goes to Garcia, only change I could see.

[CubanGuyNYC]

I was confused aswell so looked it up online yesterday. I dont have the link to hand but from what i saw you are supposed to see it like this...

fighter is KD'd they automatically lose 2 points to make it 10-8

But if the other fighter completely dominates the rest of the round then they can earn back a point to make it 10-9 (round winner is still the fighter who knocked the other down). What you have to do to earn back the point seems to be subjective. Personally i dont think Matthysse did quite enough to earn back the point, but its definitely arguable as the KD was sketchy and before and after the KD it would have been a clear LM round

Seems illogical to me. They should just make it so a KD comes off like a point deduction. So you score the round as you see fit, then factor in any knockdown points. Which would make it a 9-9 round on my (and most other) cards and seems a fairer reflection of the action in the round.

I agree. Lucas almost did enough to make it a 10-9 round, but not quite. He was pretty dominant, except for the knockdown. If you wanted to award Matthysse a 10-9, that would mean that you'd have to have been willing to award Lucas a 10-8 round if he wasn't knocked down. I've seen those conditions met before, but they don't come up all that often. I will say that the argument can certainly be made for a 10-9 round. I just didn't see it that way. It's a real judgement call.

As for the actual knockdown, I also agree on that point. I've reviewed it several times and I'm still not honestly sure it should've been ruled as such. It appeared that Matthysse was being pressured against the ropes and kind of "fell" into space. Then again, it also appeared Lucas may have withered under the onslaught. In the end, Weeks's call has to be honored; and I scored the round 10-8.

[bojangles1987]

I agree. Lucas almost did enough to make it a 10-9 round, but not quite. He was pretty dominant, except for the knockdown. If you wanted to award Matthysse a 10-9, that would mean that you'd have to have been willing to award Lucas a 10-8 round if he wasn't knocked down. I've seen those conditions met before, but they don't come up all that often. I will say that the argument can certainly be made for a 10-9 round. I just didn't see it that way. It's a real judgement call.

As for the actual knockdown, I also agree on that point. I've reviewed it several times and I'm still not honestly sure it should've been ruled as such. It appeared that Matthysse was being pressured against the ropes and kind of "fell" into space. Then again, it also appeared Lucas may have withered under the onslaught. In the end, Weeks's call has to be honored; and I scored the round 10-8.

I wouldn't say you have to be so dominant it could have been 10-8 the other way. I think it's more, "one guy clearly won 2:50 of the round, but got knocked down," where a KD round is 10-9. Almost like Alvarez-Trout, where Trout got knocked down at the beginning of the round but Alvarez did nothing the rest of it.