So if Matthyse & Garcia go to the score cards...

[WilkinsOlajuwon]

I'm more than aware how you score a fight. Pacquiao-Bradley is the exception, not the rule. The coincidence that the ticket seller usually gets the close decisions is not a coincidence usually. Love-Rosado comes to mind for smaller named guys, a TMT fighter on a Mayweather undercard, he wasn't losing if it was reasonably close.

That is in no way factual, clear evidence that fixed fights are as common as you are making it seem.

Many times a close decision is just a close decision and its warranted. This is not a sport that is scored objectively.

Most judges are ******ed fossils that score on aggression only. And it only makes things worse when media applies so much weight on the punches landed stat.

[bojangles1987]

That is in no way factual, clear evidence that fixed fights are as common as you are making it seem.

Many times a close decision is just a close decision and its warranted. This is not a sport that is scored objectively.

Most judges are ******ed fossils that score on aggression only. And it only makes things worse when media applies so much weight on the punches landed stat.

No, most judges favor the bigger draw, the better business decision. You can't honestly believe that's a coincidence.

[El Angel]

That is in no way factual, clear evidence that fixed fights are as common as you are making it seem.

Many times a close decision is just a close decision and its warranted. This is not a sport that is scored objectively.

Most judges are ******ed fossils that score on aggression only. And it only makes things worse when media applies so much weight on the punches landed stat.

Totally agree with the bold. I honestly don't believe fixed fights are commonplace, but I've seen the crowd favorite get the close fight over the winner in the public's eye plenty of times.

My point is if I'm Lucas, I'm knocking Danny out. Which is exactly what he's said he's going to try to do.

[Canelo Phresh]

What?? None of the Lucas riders have any hope on standing behind such a great fighter if it goes to a decision???

Buahahahahaha...........War DANNY!!!

2 robberies and 1 to Alexander who has had the most gift decisions in the current era. Shocking theirs skepticism to Lucas getting a fair shake on the cards.

[The Big Dunn]

I've been in many of these threads with Russian, and agree with how he scores fights. Above all else, the guy landing the best punches in a round should win that round. Defense and ring generalship and aggression should only come into play in a close round where neither guy had the edge in clean, effective punching.

I do disagree with him about the Judah fight, though. While there is much more of a case that Matthysse won, and I certainly think he should have gotten the decision, I can see how Judah gets 7 rounds. The two judges who scored it for him had it 7-5, and I can't complain about that. Russian doesn't think so, and I understand why he feels that way.

russian was harping on "pitty pat" punches. Do the official rules reference power in any way? No.

So the question becomes do clean pitty pat jabs score more than partially landed power shots.

[Russian Crushin]

russian you posted how you scored the fight and I posted the official rules for scoring fights. You were wrong. Period. You are not even man enough to admit it.

I don't care if 92% thought devon lost. I didn't, then I rewatched, admitted I was wrong and agreed with you. Yet you are still mad. Grow up.

As for Zab, I explained to you the first time we discussed this why I thought zab won. I am not going to do it again. Matts seemed to learn from that by picking up the pace earlier.

Thats what adults do, they learn from there mistakes, make improvements, and don't make the same mistake again. You could learn alot from Matts.

You explained he won with "fancy feet". How can a fighter win when the other guy lands the much better cleaner punches? He cant

Even by the "official rules" which u like to manipulate, Lucas still won.

Clean punches: lucas
Defense: Lucas
Aggression: Lucas
Ring Generalship: Still lucas but u cant give it to Judah to make u happy

3 of 4 = lucas

[BUNGALOWS]

Of course Danny gets the decision. Danny's 10x easier to sell to casuals against Floyd. Puerto Rican kid from Philly that can speak English with an outspoken dad.

This is just common sense.

[Russian Crushin]

When I 1st debated this Russian posted some ridiculous self made scoring system. SO I simply posted the official scoring rules. If you use the official rules and not a made up scoring system and you had Matts winning both-fine. I agree with the judges that zab won and scored fight same.

As I said I was wrong about Matts v Devon and changed accordingly.

Self made scoring system? Guy who lands the best punches wins. Thats what boxing is. You literally have Judah winning on running and missing jabs all night. U have no mention about punches landed because your entire argument crumbles if you do. Name the last fighter who landed way more better, harder and cleaner punches and lost?

[WilkinsOlajuwon]

Self made scoring system? Guy who lands the best punches wins. Thats what boxing is. You literally have Judah winning on running and missing jabs all night. U have no mention about punches landed because your entire argument crumbles if you do. Name the last fighter who landed way more better, harder and cleaner punches and lost?

Its a lot more than just landing the "best punches"--whatever that may be.

Its 12 little fights added together...not who you think wins the most judging categories at the end.

[The Big Dunn]

You explained he won with "fancy feet". How can a fighter win when the other guy lands the much better cleaner punches? He cant

Even by the "official rules" which u like to manipulate, Lucas still won.

Clean punches: lucas
Defense: Lucas
Aggression: Lucas
Ring Generalship: Still lucas but u cant give it to Judah to make u happy

3 of 4 = lucas

"fancy feet" wtf? I said what you called running and pitty pat punches were clean jabs and ring generalship. geez dude. The really sad thing is you already have your mind made up that Lucas is getting robbed no matter what. It suggests you will not be not capable of scoring the fight impartially. I just hope you use the official rules this time.