Comments Thread For: Mayweather: I Don't Get Enough Credit For My Wins

[The Gambler1981]

Thank you though you just pretty much made Floyd's point because that spin on his career is exactly what he is talking about.

It is kind of whiny though and I would prefer my boxing champs to not be whiny, but boxers are people too flaws and all~ so whatever.

[FU€RO]

You have facts in there like who Floyd fought, but there is a lot of opinion in relation to level and how things went down~

What about the Brian Kenny interview where he dogged Floyd for not fighting Baldomir~

Also point of fact Vivian Harris lost the night Floyd beat Gatti to Maussa, so if Floyd fought Harris after Gatti I can clearly see what you would say.

Also you make a big deal out of 7 pounds are you serious if Hatton was a legit fight at 140 he was at 147 as Floyd is not a big welter and he would have held the exact same advantages at 140 as 147 unless that weight makes him shrink. Plus you act like Frietas and Corrales were breaking down doors to fight Floyd, let me give you a hint fighters didn't want to see Floyd at a point in his career~

So all in all a terrible assessment.

The 147 Hatton seems to be a big deal considering the results of his fights at 140 vs 147. Personally I was never too high on Ricky Hatton, he made a career fighting hand pick opponents in England, before luring an old Kostya Tyszu and becoming a star in the sport.

At 147 Hatton was just terrible, I certainly can't explain why Hatton looked so bad but I will agree with you that a fight with Floyd at 140 or 147 wouldn't have changed the end result.

The reason I call out the Hatton situation is that Floyd accepted the fight with so many other options around. Paul Williams had challenged him, Margarito was challenging him, even the Cotto camp had shown some interest. Yet when Hatton challenged him he quickly accepted the easiest task. And left to retire becuase 147 was getting hot. There were a lot of challenges looming and Floyd prefered to see them all fight beat each other without risking of having to be in the mix. That's why many of us criticize Floyd.

Same thing occurred in 130. Corrales wanted the Floyd fight and even Casamayor. Corrales got the fight when he was in legal problems. At 135 Floyd fought the best available. I give him props for it. But it was the last hard challenge he would face.

At 140 Harris who was deemed the most avoided, was calling him out and it's true that he didn't end up being the world beater he claimed to be but I call out Floyd because it was Floyd always claiming to be the best not the others (Cotto or Hatton).

On the Baldomir and Judah issue, I would have to say the the biggest threat to all those champions at that time was Margarito. Yes, many could say whatever they want about him but Margarito would have been physically a challenge for Floyd. He was a big welterweight, tall, high workrate, iron stamina, tough chin, and a decent puncher (plaster or not). Same thing could be said later on of Paul Williams for similar reasons.

In the end, Floyd may have ended up winning these challenges but we will never know for sure because Floyd wasn't up to the task. When a fighter vies so much for recognition as Floyd does, a fighter can't just sit back and wait to be challenged and down size riskier opponents like he used to do. He should be able to seek the best possible opponents or even say we wants to make them happen.

That was never the case with Floyd. With the exception of Mosley (who back then preferred to fight DLH) and of course the Golden Boy (For fame and money). Besides those cases, he preferred to be challenged and pick his battles. And for that, his legacy unlike his talent will always be questioned.

[Fetta]

The 147 Hatton seems to be a big deal considering the results of his fights at 140 vs 147. Personally I was never too high on Ricky Hatton, he made a career fighting hand pick opponents in England, before luring an old Kostya Tyszu and becoming a star in the sport.

At 147 Hatton was just terrible, I certainly can't explain why Hatton looked so bad but I will agree with you that a fight with Floyd at 140 or 147 wouldn't have changed the end result.

The reason I call out the Hatton situation is that Floyd accepted the fight with so many other options around. Paul Williams had challenged him, Margarito was challenging him, even the Cotto camp had shown some interest. Yet when Hatton challenged him he quickly accepted the easiest task. And left to retire becuase 147 was getting hot. There were a lot of challenges looming and Floyd prefered to see them all fight beat each other without risking of having to be in the mix. That's why many of us criticize Floyd.

Same thing occurred in 130. Corrales wanted the Floyd fight and even Casamayor. Corrales got the fight when he was in legal problems. At 135 Floyd fought the best available. I give him props for it. But it was the last hard challenge he would face.

At 140 Harris who was deemed the most avoided, was calling him out and it's true that he didn't end up being the world beater he claimed to be but I call out Floyd because it was Floyd always claiming to be the best not the others (Cotto or Hatton).

On the Baldomir and Judah issue, I would have to say the the biggest threat to all those champions at that time was Margarito. Yes, many could say whatever they want about him but Margarito would have been physically a challenge for Floyd. He was a big welterweight, tall, high workrate, iron stamina, tough chin, and a decent puncher (plaster or not). Same thing could be said later on of Paul Williams for similar reasons.

In the end, Floyd may have ended up winning these challenges but we will never know for sure because Floyd wasn't up to the task. When a fighter vies so much for recognition as Floyd does, a fighter can't just sit back and wait to be challenged and down size riskier opponents like he used to do. He should be able to seek the best possible opponents or even say we wants to make them happen.

That was never the case with Floyd. With the exception of Mosley (who back then preferred to fight DLH) and of course the Golden Boy (For fame and money). Besides those cases, he preferred to be challenged and pick his battles. And for that, his legacy unlike his talent will always be questioned.

Don't worry cause Sept 14th your tears will stop unless by some miracle Floyd wins then you can continue to spin things. Win win for you

[peplz]

Thats actually a very realistic and likely picture you paint.

If you really believe that he will only be remembered negatively then you're saying he won't be remembered at all. People who never accomplish anything noteworthy are not memorialized in any way because people mostly only remember the good things.

[HarvardBlue]

The key word I used in my post is that the criticism is usually based on whether you like him or not. That means my statement is not all inclusive. So congratulations you're one of the exceptions to that rule. Second, you said yourself, we don't know what the outcome would be if the fights take place when all these boxers were in their prime. Yet, somehow, to me at least, it seems most of the time when someone make that claim it's almost with certainty that the he would have lost all those fights. Cotto, Oscar, and Mosely lost fights before and after they fought they fought Mayweather. Yet the most often times someone make the claim about them being in their primes is only when it comes to Mayweather. Pacquiao beat all those people, no one said hardly a word about them not being prime. Again, the prime argument, is simply a disguise for I'm not a fan so I'm hating. Fine, I get it. But if that's the route you or anyone is taking at least let it be known. Finally, it might seem like I'm going hard defending Mayweather. But to be honest with you I have some of the same criticism about him. But I approach it as a fan of boxing fan and wanting to see the best fights available, rather than being a Mayweather cheerleader or hater.

[peplz]

I dont buy that. I mean, when Pac beat Mosley he was criticised for his performance, and Floyd was praised for fighting back when he was hurt. Pac KOing Hatton had the wow factor, plus Pac jumped from SFW to Welter, back down to 140. And Hatton struggled with his only other welter fight before losing to Floyd.
When Pac fought Cotto it was seen as a 50/50 fight, and he gave him a bad beating. Whereas Floyd was a huge favourite and had a tough time.

its all a matter of opinion. But almost everyone believes Floyd to be a great fighter who always has a chip on his shoulder about the criticism he receives.
He is never going to be happy. And the praise he does receive only makes him more arrogant. He acts like a twat to sell fights, but at the same time wants everyone to love him. Its a big mess in his head.

You don't have to love someone to be honest about their qualities. And using weights to discredit his victories is the exact kind of desperate attempt to denigrate his record that he was talking about.

[peplz]

Pac became a superstar for not only fighting opponents who people thought could beat him, but also in the manner of his wins.

Floyd talks about pushing himself to his limits....against who? He has had an easy time with nearly all of his opponents for years. And he is always a big favourite to win.

I dont think for a second he actually believes he is pushing himself to his limits. he chooses fighters that are good, but no one believes stand much of a chance. As long as they are coming off a decent win and can be promoted in the right way to secure big PPV sales, that is all that matters.

What ever happened to him talking about his health?

Id love to see him take on guys who people think could actually beat him. Middleweights. I believe he could beat most of them. But he wouldnt take the chance.

Canelo is good, but its a fact he is inexperienced, and his style is suited for Floyd IMO. He struggled with Trout, but u have Oscar saying he will KO Floyd within 8? lol. They are both businessmen selling the fight on bullsheit.

You want a welter weight to fight middle weights to prove that he is good? You just showed your panty line with that comment.

[The Noose]

And sure we will give him credit if he beat Canelo in a proper way (no sucker punch,no dirty tactics) since it will be his first fight that come to 50-50 chance in last 10 years according to experts and some people here. I personally think Canelo will KO Floyd. if he can knock down Trout, why Floyd can't ? This is boxing and both fighter will get hit eventually no matter how elusive you are. But who knows, anything can happen. Just enjoy the fight as an entertainment, no hate, no hard feeling.

Floyd is actually the huge favourite...yet again.

Just look at the poll in the official Floyd - Canelo thread, its over 70% for Floyd.
Plus this link shows how almost every opinion from fighters and trainers say Canelo is too inexperienced.
http://www.************.com/2013/06/...their-opinion/
link blocked, but it was boxing news 24, dot, com. )

Canelo put Trout down, but Trout is nowhere near Floyds level. Plus, when he had him down, he didnt come close to finishing him.

I hope im wrong and its at least a competitive fight.

[The Noose]

You want a welter weight to fight middle weights to prove that he is good? You just showed your panty line with that comment.

I want Floyd to show us how great he is. He is no ordinary welter. I believe, if he handles welters and jnr middles with such ease, why not take on a middleweight?
With his style, i dont see him taking a beating. He has shown us many times, its not about size. His skill and ability to adapt means he could out box much bigger men.

[peplz]

To be honest, Harwri008, I think you have become defensive when it comes to Floyd for some reason (is he your favorite, perhaps?) and say things that just aren't true. All I did was state the facts of Floyd's record. That's it. I even said that I (or you or most people) don't know all that went into certain fights being made or not made. Also, I've never heard Martinez "get credit for fighting lesser talent". It seems to me you're just clinging to things that prop up Floyd, beyond what you need to. He's great, we just wish, for example we could have seen him fight ...

A) a prime Pacquiao
B) a younger Mosley
C) a younger Cotto
D) maybe Paul Williams

Etc.

Did you hear me lay all the blame with Floyd & Co.? No. BTW, I have given Floyd his just due for taking & making this Canelo Alvarez fight -- just so you know.

I've got work I need to do, so I'll be away from the keyboard. But all good wishes ... sincerely.

I think it's the other way around. You wish that those fighters,except for Williams, would have been willing to fight Floyd. Which none of them were. They all ducked Floyd and it is well documented so you can skip asking the arbitrary "when did that happen?" question.