Comments Thread For: Mosley Breaks Down Power, Speed on Mayweather-Canelo

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I'm not saying Floyd doesn't fight off the ropes. My observation is that I've never seen him hit with anything major while he was on the ropes. Chop Chop and Mosley hurt him badly, in the middle of the rin. Judah dropped him, in the middle of the ring. The cleanest punches Cotto landed were in the middle of the ring.

Another observation I have of Floyd is that he tips his lead right hand. Whenever he's gonna throw it, he gets up on his back tip toe. I've been waiting for about 15 years for a fighter to notice that and time him with a counter left hook over the top of it.

As for him wobbling DLH with that sneaky right off the ropes, you're. Exacly right. It was in the 5th I believe. DLH always claims he got tired and forgot to throw his jab. Fuuny thing is he started getting tired and forgot to throw that jab around the same time Floyd came over the top of it with the right you're speaking about.

I'm not a boxer so I'm not for sure, but the right hand that Floyd leads with, he always ducks under his opponents counter right. You said that you've waited for someone to counter him with the left. Do you think the counter left would be effective? They sow Floyd doing this every time he has a fight coming up and its the same move every time. I'm not sure if either the right or left counter would work.

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I understand that and I respect your input but I take the word of a scale over the hypothetical folks have been tossing around. Don't get me wrong i'm not making any assumptions whatsoever I just am a believer in seeing things with my own eyes. We can guess what jeans or shoes weigh and factor that into the equation after the fact. What we can't guess is what a guy weighs the night of the fight or regularly.

You take the word of a scale but totally throw out every scale weight that's been publicized about Floyd , he has been weighed many times , show where it has been 155 as you said before , you would think at least once his weight would be up there because a few times he was weighed just starting camps and not in full training , 30 day weights , fight night weights , commentators stating his weights , Floyd saying to the world what he weighed after a fight , don't you think an opposing trainer or fighter would call BS , none have !

Your have no smoke but want to claim a fire .

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You take the word of a scale but totally throw out every scale weight that's been publicized about Floyd , he has been weighed many times , show where it has been 155 as you said before , you would think at least once his weight would be up there because a few times he was weighed just starting camps and not in full training , 30 day weights , fight night weights , commentators stating his weights , Floyd saying to the world what he weighed after a fight , don't you think an opposing trainer or fighter would call BS , none have !

Your have no smoke but want to claim a fire .

I'm curious why you are taking offense to my question..seriously. I'm asking a question without critiquing anyone. I care because it's a topic of discussion every post here has turned into a weight conversation more so than that of skill. Ease up bro I think you are taking an approach that i'm not trying to lull you into. An yes I take the word of a scale...scales dont lie or have any motives at all. I said 155 not on fight night but when he's between fights...so let's correct that now. Based on his height and age 155 isn't far fetched which is why I assume its closer to his natural weight but again the reason i'm asking for a fight night weighin is to take the assumption out of the equation it isn't a big deal but just to end the back and forth about what Floyd and others weigh.

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I'm curious why you are taking offense to my question..seriously. I'm asking a question without critiquing anyone. I care because it's a topic of discussion every post here has turned into a weight conversation more so than that of skill. Ease up bro I think you are taking an approach that i'm not trying to lull you into. An yes I take the word of a scale...scales dont lie or have any motives at all. I said 155 not on fight night but when he's between fights...so let's correct that now. Based on his height and age 155 isn't far fetched which is why I assume its closer to his natural weight but again the reason i'm asking for a fight night weighin is to take the assumption out of the equation it isn't a big deal but just to end the back and forth about what Floyd and others weigh.

Im not talking offense , sorry if it came over that way I can write aggressive without thinking that I am and it comes out a bit harsh , I just find your comment of believing a scale but then your post is really denying the scales because Floyd has never had a recorded or noted weight where your guessing his weight is , what are you comparing him to for you to assume he weighs heavier than what has been publicized many times .

If you ever see Floyd in person , he is a little guy , the first thing that will hit you is gee he is small .

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Im not talking offense , sorry if it came over that way I can write aggressive with thinking that I am and it comes out a bit harsh , I just find your comment of believing a scale but then your post is really denying the scales because Floyd has never had a recorded or noted weight where your guessing his weight is , what are you comparing him to for you to assume he weighs heavier than what has been publicized many times .

If you ever see Floyd in person , he is a little guy , the first thing that will hit you is gee he is small .

I'm not disagreeing with you that Floyd is little...I'm not comparing him to anything but the scientific scale based on height and age. Nothing more..I've not said he weighs anything outrageous I said my belief is he weighs this...could I be wrong? Absolutely i've stated so..my thing is we cannot know nor can we kill the discussion without the man making an offering himself. Everything else we discuss about weight is hypothetically speaking. Can't knock me for wanting to kill the wars about weight tho

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I'm not a boxer so I'm not for sure, but the right hand that Floyd leads with, he always ducks under his opponents counter right. You said that you've waited for someone to counter him with the left. Do you think the counter left would be effective? They sow Floyd doing this every time he has a fight coming up and its the same move every time. I'm not sure if either the right or left counter would work.

That's why I said they would need to time him. Floyd is very quick. So when he's committed to throwing a single shot and getting the hell outta the way, its tough to counter. But it can be done. Judah dropped him with a counter right hook over that jab Floyd likes to throw to the body. And the flurry that came from Ortiz prior to the butt was started by him timing Floyd dipping after the lead right. Ortiz caught him with a counter right hook.

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I'm not disagreeing with you that Floyd is little...I'm not comparing him to anything but the scientific scale based on height and age. Nothing more..I've not said he weighs anything outrageous I said my belief is he weighs this...could I be wrong? Absolutely i've stated so..my thing is we cannot know nor can we kill the discussion without the man making an offering himself. Everything else we discuss about weight is hypothetically speaking. Can't knock me for wanting to kill the wars about weight tho

Yeah Id like to see fight night weights be official its the most important weight of the fight , I think with Floyd its just one of the luxuries of being the man that he gets the royal treatment and he enjoys doing it his way , you cant really take a man in the street average and apply it to an ATG athlete , Floyd would have a lower body fat ratio than most guys his height and his system is probably slightly drier that the average guy .

Even on boxrec now they not putting the weigh-in weights into the records which I fight ludicrous in a combat sport .

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It's not that they matter its that they are so heavily a topic of conversation specifically revolving around Floyd who is notoriously known for not weighing in on fight night. I think generally folks spend so much time talking about it that I would like the hypothetical discussion answered by actual facts. Not one much for the trivial shhh just like certain questions answered and for discussion to be based on things set on paper or seen.

I'll put it like this. If we were living in an era of same day weigh-ins, I'm fairly confident that Floyd could fight as a welterweight. And I doubt I'm in the minority with that opinion.

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Yeah Id like to see fight night weights be official its the most important weight of the fight , I think with Floyd its just one of the luxuries of being the man that he gets the royal treatment and he enjoys doing it his way , you cant really take a man in the street average and apply it to an ATG athlete , Floyd would have a lower body fat ratio than most guys his height and his system is probably slightly drier that the average guy .

Even on boxrec now they not putting the weigh-in weights into the records which I fight ludicrous in a combat sport .

If they weighed in 12 or so hours before the fight. Floyd could easily fight at 147. Canelo would likely have trouble fighting at 160 under those circumstances. In today's boxing, official weights and fight night weights are pretty much irrelevant because fighters are making a mockery of the divisions.

[Luilun]

This is a terrible argument all around. Different weight classes at different points in their careers......and how exactly do steroids help you take a better punch?

Just ask Pacquiao when he was juicing he took big bombs from big Punchers and it did nothing than pop he's out from a lightweight who moved up