5 keys to defeating Floyd Mayweather: A 17 year study

[BUNGALOWS]

Floyd and Lara are the same height and basically the same style just is a Southpaw and the other is orthodox. And saying Floyd can't fight in the inside is beyond ******.

Who said that? I said he wouldn't **** with Paul on the inside like Quintana did.

"One is JUST a southpaw."

Yeah, that makes no difference whatsoever. What stance have all of Paul's losses coming from?

[waxfondler]

Paul Williams never used his reach to beat anyone and has been a sucker for left hands; come on he beat a Winky who was 2 or 3 years from his last fight. Floyd wants a come forward brawler he prays that in his sleep. Somebody like Corey Spinks would trouble Floyd more than a Paul Williams.

yeah that was his biggest flaw, he didnt fight "tall". but i still stand by my opinion that his workrate would still bother floyd. p-will was just relentless, he would find a way to open you up. not a hard puncher but would tag you all night. at least, enough to win rounds, IMO.

[The Big Dunn]

1) Using hypotheticals to defend your idol doesn't make for good debates either. A hand injury is a maximum of 6 months, just like any fight suspension right after a fight.

Why is Floyd not taking a 2 year vacation now? He just hurt his hand again.

2) You used another hypothetical. You said he decided to take a 2 year retirment for marketing purposes. Only a die heard Floyd groupie would say this.

You're really telling me a fight with Cotto, the same fight fans were begging for, wouldn't have been a HUGE marketing opportunity for him?

And since we're on the topic of marketing opportunities. Why did he make the fight with Pacquiao virtually impossible to make? The biggest money maker of all time. I don't want to hear about the drug testing. Manny agreed to the 14 day cut off in 2010. Floyd then said no 50/50.

What's the difference between a Paul Williams fight and an Ortiz/Guerrero?

Less war torn Sugar Shane was still there, but Floyd was off on vacation, so how could they possibly fight?

You're the one that isn't using facts, and just saying things to say them.

Your doing it again. "Floyd groupie" or "my idol" do not make what you are posting true or accurate.

Did you actually read my post dude? I already acknowledged the 6 month thing and acknowledged his hand was a minor reason.

I didn't say marketing purposes did I? They wagered that by limiting his appearances he could command a high salary. was what I posted.

Cotto and his people walked away. Bob said he couldn't get floyd $8 mil for the cotto fight. These are facts right? WHen they ultimately fought-floyd made $32 mil and cotto $8 mil guarantees. Could my point be correct?

WHat you posted about Manny agreeing simply isn't true. There are enough articles here and other sites documenting this. You may want to criticize my post but please use something factual.

Pwill is the better fighter. Pwill is also not a draw and is not backed by GBP. Pwill beat Margs 2 months after floyd beat ODH. floyd then fought Hatton. JUne 08 Pwill lost to Quintana.

You have to be aware of SHane not fighting floyd over the toothache years before that. If you are not then there are artciles here and on other reputable sites.

Now I've answered everything you posted. It seems you are mad that I am not criticizing floyd for retiring for 2 years. You have decided that it was because the division was hot, an oft repeated opinion on NSB.

Maybe you are wrong.

[BUNGALOWS]

Using his range very well.

[dc3383]

P-Will used his range quite well against Margarito. Why wouldn't he against Floyd?

And you guys don't understand what range is. Just because you see a tall guy fight like Paul, doesn't mean he's not using his range. He's using a tall man's pressure. His combination punches still come from a distance that is further than you're used to.

On the Quintana subject. Floyd isn't Quintana. He's not a southpaw that will **** with you on the inside.

Paul's pressure alone would have Floyd back peddling the whole match, and with his range, Floyd wouldn't be afforded the same leaping in and out opportunities.

Paul Williams many of time smothered his punches from a lack of range. Floyd would clinch him on the inside also to smother him. Paul Williams had a low boxing IQ but made up for it with his heart. Floyd would stab jab him to death and have him resetting. I wish this fight would have happened I gurantee he would be throwing a 100 punches per vs Floyd.

[The Big Dunn]

yeah that was his biggest flaw, he didnt fight "tall". but i still stand by my opinion that his workrate would still bother floyd. p-will was just relentless, he would find a way to open you up. not a hard puncher but would tag you all night. at least, enough to win rounds, IMO.

True. Pwill's only problem was he dropped his hands down so he could work the body-creating wide openings. I think one of the most accurate fighters ever would've taken advantage of that.

The question is would floyd's accuracy reduce pwill''s workrate over the course of the fight.

[BUNGALOWS]

Your doing it again. "Floyd groupie" or "my idol" do not make what you are posting true or accurate.

By calling you a Floyd groupie, and saying he's your idol, I'm putting into context, why you would go so far to defend him, and make it clear that you would say things just to say them in order to prop him up, and make him look like a saint.

I didn't say marketing purposes did I? They wagered that by limiting his appearances he could command a high salary. was what I posted.

I know what you meant, I just used the word marketing. Floyd's stock was at the highest it could EVER be when he fought Oscar prior to Hatton. He recorded his highest pay day. He could've even rematched Oscar for an even higher payday, and kept on fighting the tough guys at WW. Yet he chose to retire. The salary excuse doesn't apply here.

Cotto and his people walked away. Bob said he couldn't get floyd $8 mil for the cotto fight. These are facts right? WHen they ultimately fought-floyd made $32 mil and cotto $8 mil guarantees. Could my point be correct?

What does his have anything to do with after the Oscar and Hatton fight? They could've easily made crazy amounts of money for that fight, while both guys were red hot. Floyd took a vacation, so there was no chance for that. Remember this?

"Why don't you step in the ring with Cotto?

Floyd: "Because he lives in Puerto Rico."

Nuff said.

WHat you posted about Manny agreeing simply isn't true. There are enough articles here and other sites documenting this. You may want to criticize my post but please use something factual.

#1. Manny agreed to the cutoffs in 2010. Another thing, the cutoffs had nothing to do with avoiding drug tests, they had everything to do with posturing and dictating who was the man in negotiations. What good is a cutoff date, when you cycle off PEDs well in advance of a month out of the fight. Use some common sense. It was all a ploy to make Manny look bad.

Unlimited testing before the fight, but cut off dates can't be agreed upon. Use your brain.

Pwill is the better fighter. Pwill is also not a draw and is not backed by GBP. Pwill beat Margs 2 months after floyd beat ODH. floyd then fought Hatton. JUne 08 Pwill lost to Quintana.

Floyd announced his retirement after the Hatton fight. Larry Merchant even asked him about Cotto, it didn't matter, he was retired and wasn't trying to think about boxing. He just happens to come back 2 years later, fresh and new, like nothing happened. If that wasn't obvious, then I don't know what is.

You have to be aware of SHane not fighting floyd over the toothache years before that. If you are not then there are artciles here and on other reputable sites.

You have to be aware that Floyd took a 2 year vacation. We're talking about the period in his vacation when the WWs were fighting each other while Floyd was juicing up, and watching them all beat each other.

Now I've answered everything you posted. It seems you are mad that I am not criticizing floyd for retiring for 2 years. You have decided that it was because the division was hot, an oft repeated opinion on NSB.

It seems like you'd defend Floyd to the death.

[BUNGALOWS]

Paul Williams many of time smothered his punches from a lack of range. Floyd would clinch him on the inside also to smother him. Paul Williams had a low boxing IQ but made up for it with his heart. Floyd would stab jab him to death and have him resetting. I wish this fight would have happened I gurantee he would be throwing a 100 punches per vs Floyd.

LMAO. No kid. You're just saying things you'd want Floyd to do. Floyd isn't jabbing Paul to death. Paul could use range when needed, and he'd jab Floyd all day.

Paul on the inside never stops working. He constantly throws punches, and he's the stronger man. Paul would be rag dolling Floyd in the clinch, and hitting him constantly.

Nightmare matchup for Floyd.

[dc3383]

If were talking Cotto then explain after beating Mosley; why he had to agreed to a two fight deal to fight Alfonso Gomez than Margarito. But we are two believe thats the fight Top Rank and Cotto wanted was the Floyd and that was agreed to before Floyd beat Hatton. Sorta like how the Mosely fight was finalized 7 days after Manny beat Margs & Marquez 3 was finalized 7 days after he beat Shane. But it was Floyd who was 100% the blame lets use facts here. Floyd did his fair share to ruin that fight but it was 50-50.

[Light_Speed]

Lara's a southpaw with a pop, and size. P-Will was Sergio's leftover at that point.

What happened in the rematch? Besides, Quintana was also a southpaw that was willing to scrap on the inside.

Floyd is neither.

P-Will is a nightmare matchup for Floyd.

They didn't beat Williams because of the southpaw stance, they beat him by moving and boxing. Floyd is a better mover than both. Williams looked good when his opponents either came forward or stood in front of him. If you don't do that, you can take his volume away. Sounds like you spent years convincing yourself that Williams was the bogeyman so now that his technical flaws got exposed you're still in denial.