5 keys to defeating Floyd Mayweather: A 17 year study

[BUNGALOWS]

just ask yourself WHY would floyd retire temporarily??? then come back and bring up a 135-er to 147 simply to boast he beat #2 p4p guy but on suspect circumstances... people talk about context, that was a PERFECT example.

2 main reasons.

1. The hand injuries, although I think he could've come back in 6 months at worst.
2. The larger reason was FLoyd and his team realized that boxing had become about personality driven ppv sales. The wagered that by limiting his appearances he could command a high salary.

It was also clear that all the people he begged to fight pre ODH that turned him down now suddenly were chomping at the bit to fight him for the huge payday. So he pulled a Sugar Ray Leonard and chilled. IMO it was completly financially driven.

Obviously the JMM comeback was because JMM had a cloe fight with Pac. WHile hardcore fans know triangle theories don't work, casual fans believe strongly if A beats B and B beats C that A will beat C.

Translation: "I refuse to ever question or criticize Floyd." "To me, Floyd is always in the right, and there are never alterior motives to his action".

Thanks for letting us know where you stand.

[dc3383]

i honestly believe 130s version of floyd was damn near perfect... but i have beef with 147 version (up until recently). "money"s matchmaking was blatant, theres nothing wrong with that, but call it what it is.

i honestly believe floyd retired to AVOID the heated WW division. the division was stacked, with ELITE fighters & SOLID up & comers. seriously, just ask yourself WHY would floyd retire temporarily??? then come back and bring up a 135-er to 147 simply to boast he beat #2 p4p guy but on suspect circumstances... people talk about context, that was a PERFECT example.

i think prime p-will wouldve beaten floyd (or at least wouldve exposed more about floyds game), he had the reach & workrate to outhustle and steal rounds on floyd. floyd would be shelled up all night unable to establish a meaningful offense. people forget how diverse and relentless p-wills offense was. he broke winky down solidly (granted, it was a faded version, but you dont lose technique/skill).

loading up on 1 punch is the WORST thing to do against floyd... you CANNOT win a fight with 1 punch (unless you are gatti). RIGO said it best. floyd fights are textbook: opponent starts out strong, floyd takes away offense, opponent reduced to waiting to land KO punch, floyd ups his offense and takes over, another comfy decision. not only does floyd have TALENT, but his system keeps WORKING..... its like wlad, his current system is untouchable, people complain but it WORKS.

IMO, a FIGHTER will beat floyd, not a BOXER.... how can you outbox the best boxer of this generation??? you dont. JMM is a legendary boxer, he was forced to fight out of his character and lost embarrassingly... thats why fighters with dynamic and unpredictable offenses would be DANGEROUS for floyd. simply put, keep the defensive fighter on the defensive... win rounds and outhustle floyd based on workrate and ring generalship, and hope haymon doesnt influence the judges.

i doubt anyone will ever DOMINATE floyd, but i think there really were some fighters that had potential to outwork and get a decision over floyd... sadly, those fights were NEVER made. blame it on whoever makes you feel better. LOL. floyds ace is haymon, close decisions will favor a haymon fighter. we have seen it NUMEROUS times.

its easy to **** on pac now, but pac had a window of opportunity... his offense was dynamic and hard to defend. his speed matched floyd. judges LOVED his fighting style. i can totally see pac clenching a close decision over floyd... possibly even dropping floyd mid rounds. it would be a close pac/jmm type of decision though. highly debated, which would set up a blockbuster rematch.... DAMN these divas ruined an all-time great rivalry and record-breaking $$$$$$.

Paul Williams never used his reach to beat anyone and has been a sucker for left hands; come on he beat a Winky who was 2 or 3 years from his last fight. Floyd wants a come forward brawler he prays that in his sleep. Somebody like Corey Spinks would trouble Floyd more than a Paul Williams.

[BUNGALOWS]

Paul Williams never used his reach to beat anyone and has been a sucker for left hands; come on he beat a Winky who was 2 or 3 years from his last fight. Floyd wants a come forward brawler he prays that in his sleep. Somebody like Corey Spinks would trouble Floyd more than a Paul Williams.

Beating that version of Winky and Sergio is still better than anything on Floyd's resume.

Cory Spinks is a truly feather fisted boxer that would get walked down immediately.

A guy with range, height, pop, durability, and mass punching like P-Will wouldn't be a gift sent from the Heaven's for Floyd. If you really think that, then you're clearly delusional.

[The Big Dunn]

Translation: "I refuse to ever question or criticize Floyd." "To me, Floyd is always in the right, and there are never alterior motives to his action".

Thanks for letting us know where you stand.

Labelling the poster when you have no facts to refute the post is a tired NSB strategy. I know for posters like you its more fun to run with over exaggerated, regurgitated criticism with no factual eveidence. Try just using facts, makes for a better debate.

WHat would you have me criticize floyd for?

[BUNGALOWS]

Labelling the poster when you have no facts to refute the post is a tired NSB strategy. I know for posters like you its more fun to run with over exaggerated, regurgitated criticism with no factual eveidence. Try just using facts, makes for a better debate.

WHat would you have me criticize floyd for?

1) Using hypotheticals to defend your idol doesn't make for good debates either. A hand injury is a maximum of 6 months, just like any fight suspension right after a fight.

Why is Floyd not taking a 2 year vacation now? He just hurt his hand again.

2) You used another hypothetical. You said he decided to take a 2 year retirment for marketing purposes. Only a die heard Floyd groupie would say this.

You're really telling me a fight with Cotto, the same fight fans were begging for, wouldn't have been a HUGE marketing opportunity for him?

And since we're on the topic of marketing opportunities. Why did he make the fight with Pacquiao virtually impossible to make? The biggest money maker of all time. I don't want to hear about the drug testing. Manny agreed to the 14 day cut off in 2010. Floyd then said no 50/50.

What's the difference between a Paul Williams fight and an Ortiz/Guerrero?

Less war torn Sugar Shane was still there, but Floyd was off on vacation, so how could they possibly fight?

You're the one that isn't using facts, and just saying things to say them.

[Light_Speed]

Beating that version of Winky and Sergio is still better than anything on Floyd's resume.

Cory Spinks is a truly feather fisted boxer that would get walked down immediately.

A guy with range, height, pop, durability, and mass punching like P-Will wouldn't be a gift sent from the Heaven's for Floyd. If you really think that, then you're clearly delusional.

Williams couldn't deal with movers, he got outboxed by Quintana and Lara. Just like Margarito, these volume punchers get easily neutralized if you either move, clinch or do both.

[dc3383]

Beating that version of Winky and Sergio is still better than anything on Floyd's resume.

Cory Spinks is a truly feather fisted boxer that would get walked down immediately.

A guy with range, height, pop, durability, and mass punching like P-Will wouldn't be a gift sent from the Heaven's for Floyd. If you really think that, then you're clearly delusional.

Lets just agree to disagree; everybody Floyd fights workrate goes down and paul williams has never fought with range and hell he only punch KO'd Carlos Quintana after he outclassed him in the fight before. To use your words if Quintana can trouble Williams you don't think Floyd can.

[BUNGALOWS]

Williams couldn't deal with movers, he got outboxed by Quintana and Lara. Just like Margarito, these volume punchers get easily neutralized if you either move, clinch or do both.

Lara's a southpaw with a pop, and size. P-Will was Sergio's leftover at that point.

What happened in the rematch? Besides, Quintana was also a southpaw that was willing to scrap on the inside.

Floyd is neither.

P-Will is a nightmare matchup for Floyd.

[dc3383]

Floyd and Lara are the same height and basically the same style just is a Southpaw and the other is orthodox. And saying Floyd can't fight in the inside is beyond ******.

[BUNGALOWS]

Lets just agree to disagree; everybody Floyd fights workrate goes down and paul williams has never fought with range and hell he only punch KO'd Carlos Quintana after he outclassed him in the fight before. To use your words if Quintana can trouble Williams you don't think Floyd can.

P-Will used his range quite well against Margarito. Why wouldn't he against Floyd?

And you guys don't understand what range is. Just because you see a tall guy fight like Paul, doesn't mean he's not using his range. He's using a tall man's pressure. His combination punches still come from a distance that is further than you're used to.

On the Quintana subject. Floyd isn't Quintana. He's not a southpaw that will **** with you on the inside.

Paul's pressure alone would have Floyd back peddling the whole match, and with his range, Floyd wouldn't be afforded the same leaping in and out opportunities.