Andre Ward Vs Calzaghe Resume: Not even close

[WilkinsOlajuwon]

Abraham lost 21 out of 23 rounds against Dirrell and froch. The win means very little when Ward beat him

Styles make fights, not how many rounds you won/lost to other opponents.

I think the main point is Ward came out of the super six with clear, defining wins over the top of the division and established a champion.

Now its time to see where he goes next.

[El Angel]

His best win? A life and death struggle with Froch where a great number of people thought he lost? Come on now. The mental and physical scars from the beating Joe put on him in those later rounds will haunt his soul for the rest of his life.

I scored that fight for Froch, I'm just going off the official result. My point is Ward's win is no less than Calzaghe's against him. Which of Kessler's wins is better? Siaca, Mundine, maybe Beyer? I don't think so.

[GRboxing]

Styles make fights, not how many rounds you won/lost to other opponents.

I think the main point is Ward came out of the super six with clear, defining wins over the top of the division and established a champion.

Now its time to see where he goes next.

Abraham, Bika, Green, Miranda were nowhere near tops of the division

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I scored that fight for Froch, I'm just going off the official result. My point is Ward's win is no less than Calzaghe's against him. Which of Kessler's wins is better? Siaca, Mundine, maybe Beyer? I don't think so.

Of course it's lessened. Kessler was beating the **** out of all his opponents before he got to Calzaghe. His post Calzaghe performances were timid and hesitant. That's like saying Trout's win over Cotto is the same as Margarito's. You can't deny the psychological scars of such a heavy defeat in the biggest fight of your life.

[El Angel]

Of course it's lessened. Kessler was beating the **** out of all his opponents before he got to Calzaghe. His post Calzaghe performances were timid and hesitant. That's like saying Trout's win over Cotto is the same as Margarito's. You can't deny the psychological scars of such a heavy defeat in the biggest fight of your life.

Cotto took a horrific beating from what most believe were loaded gloves, that will take something out of you physically as well as mentally. If you want to say it changed Kessler's mindset and his self confidence lessened, I could agree with that. But I think he showed against Froch that he still had the heart to fight fire with fire if it was needed.

[WilkinsOlajuwon]

Abraham, Bika, Green, Miranda were nowhere near tops of the division

abraham was the favorite to win so yes he was among the top

bika and edison werent even IN the tourney so why bring them up? we were discussing the tourney not his entire resume.

if you are going to change the subject at least give me a heads up

[DreamFighter]

You can't deny the psychological scars of such a heavy defeat in the biggest fight of your life.

you can happily deny that all those calzaghe opponents weren't washed up after their end of career losses.

[Kris Silver]

Kessler was prime vs Calzaghe and most would agree he certainly hasn't been that for a few years now. Kessler and Ward's best win being against Froch isn't really that impressive.

The big thing I have is that; most people on these boards had SMW as one of the weakest divisions, then as soon as the SMW tourney promo's kicked off it was suddenly one of the deepest. That shit's un-deniable and is a key reason why people rate Ward & Froch so much now.

Before all the tourney hype people were reluctant to believe Froch was even a threat. Throw him fortunate circumstances to face the best with belts in the mix, faced with his willingness to face anyone, a couple of tight fortunate wins, suddenly he's the best thing ever.

The same goes for Ward. Of course he beat Froch. He's slow and plods. Christ Taylor was beating him and Dirrell had a tough scrap and made him look silly.

Ward is very impressive but people have simply rated him too high too fast, largely because of the un-usually quick 'best of the current division' conclusion in the shape of the tourney.

[THE REED]

Comparing a prime 28 year olds resume to a retired vet?

Interesting.

[BafanaBafana]

Comparing a prime 28 year olds resume to a retired vet?

Interesting.

I guess the idea is that many people think Ward's resume is already better than Calzaghe's, but when you actually compare their best wins (within context), Calzaghe still has the better resume and the tougher fights at this point. Undoubtedly, if Ward continues his streak he could very well surpass Calzaghe's resume and legacy, but it would be unfair to Joe to say Ward has already done so.