Comments Thread For: Reynoso: Canelo Avoided Big Mistake of Cotto, De La Hoya

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Reynoso is 100% in that at least he understands what Canleo knows, can do and what the game plan will be against Mayweather.

Now, does that mean he will beat Mayweather? Of course not but at least they are all on the same page, going in with both guns blazing and understanding 100% what everyone will do.

[big_james10]

your point was canelo was ok with the weight. so was dawson. so simply being ok with the weight doesn't mean it doesn't affect you. i already explained how canelo is already drained at 153 or 154. you don't have to believe me but just look at the way he fights trying to conserve energy.

You say Alvarez was drained coming in one pound under the official weight limit. How can coming in one pound under the official weight limit drain a fighter, especially when he gains 19 pounds overnight? Do you actually think he would have fought better if he came in at 154 and weight 173 on fight night instead of 172?

Alvarez started and fought most of his career at 147. If he is drained at 153 pounds, how did he manage to win 37 fights at 147 without passing out in the ring from dehydration. He fought two minutes per round to conserve energy because he has poor stamina and was fighting a guy (Trout) that did not stand still and allow Alvarez to hit him like his other 42 previous opponents. That has nothing to do with weighing one pound less than the weight limit.

[Reloaded]

and having the same team will stop his body from being drained how?

How did Cotto and Oscar and Margo stop their bodys from being drained when they fought Manny ? they lost more weight than Canelo has to !

[Carpe Diem]

At middleweight, Canelo is going to have a hard time staying credible. He's a shorter, stocky fighter with good skills who has been able to rise to stardom primarily because he has been able to make weight in lower weight classes where he doesn't have to worry too much about getting hurt by his opponents, can fight at a metered pace and has the ability to overpower naturally smaller fighters.

At 160, Canelo will be facing men who are taller, longer and stronger. Canelo won't be able to walk through power shots, his power shots won't have as much impact, the physicality of the other fighters will exacerbate his stamina problem and he'll find that it's hard to keep guys off him if he tries taking 2 minutes of every round off. The Trout fight provided a small glimpse of the kind of troubles Canelo is going to face if he goes from oversized 154 pounder to undersized 160 pounder.

Good post.

[pesticid]

At middleweight, Canelo is going to have a hard time staying credible. He's a shorter, stocky fighter with good skills who has been able to rise to stardom primarily because he has been able to make weight in lower weight classes where he doesn't have to worry too much about getting hurt by his opponents, can fight at a metered pace and has the ability to overpower naturally smaller fighters.

At 160, Canelo will be facing men who are taller, longer and stronger. Canelo won't be able to walk through power shots, his power shots won't have as much impact, the physicality of the other fighters will exacerbate his stamina problem and he'll find that it's hard to keep guys off him if he tries taking 2 minutes of every round off. The Trout fight provided a small glimpse of the kind of troubles Canelo is going to face if he goes from oversized 154 pounder to undersized 160 pounder.

I think the Trout fight showed us a few things about Canelo and a few things about Trout.

Canelo's smarter and faster than people give him credit for. Trout found about that in the ring and that was too late, he never prepared for a fast, smart Canelo.

Trout is a tough, tough fighter who threw a ton of punches, came in with great stamina and determination as well as a very good skill set and still missed with 85% of his punches and Trout's speed is above average. Trout can go to 160 and he can be a top 5-10 middleweights. He weighed in 174 on fight night.

Now if Canelo is to weigh at 160 he will not have that much of an issue with getting tired and you're forgetting that Canelo's getting better every fight. He's got a very fast learning curve. When I first saw him at 147 I thought he was ok and then he started to improve and improve. I don't see much serious trouble for Canelo at 160 except for Golovkin to be honest with you and Golovkin is not a huge middleweight.

[ATrillionaire]

I think the Trout fight showed us a few things about Canelo and a few things about Trout.

Canelo's smarter and faster than people give him credit for. Trout found about that in the ring and that was too late, he never prepared for a fast, smart Canelo.

Trout is a tough, tough fighter who threw a ton of punches, came in with great stamina and determination as well as a very good skill set and still missed with 85% of his punches and Trout's speed is above average. Trout can go to 160 and he can be a top 5-10 middleweights. He weighed in 174 on fight night.

Now if Canelo is to weigh at 160 he will not have that much of an issue with getting tired and you're forgetting that Canelo's getting better every fight. He's got a very fast learning curve. When I first saw him at 147 I thought he was ok and then he started to improve and improve. I don't see much serious trouble for Canelo at 160 except for Golovkin to be honest with you and Golovkin is not a huge middleweight.

Are you saying Canelo beats Kid Chocolate?

[pesticid]

Are you saying Canelo beats Kid Chocolate?

No, we don't know that but if he beats Mayweather he'd be a favourite over Kid Chocolate so you never know! In 3, 4 fights Canelo will get better and better I don't know how much better the Cuban can get.

[BoxingFan82]

Canelo's smarter and faster than people give him credit for.

I actually think a lot of observers recognize that Canelo is smart. Not Mayweather or Hopkins smart in the ring, obviously, but he's an intelligent kid.

As for speed, it's all relative. Even if you believe that Canelo is quicker than he's given credit for, the problem is that he doesn't throw enough punches. Note that there's a difference between being judicious and placing your punches and taking 2 minutes of every round off to conserve energy. Canelo does the latter, which will minimize any speed advantage he might have over his opponent.

Trout can go to 160 and he can be a top 5-10 middleweights. He weighed in 174 on fight night.

I personally wouldn't consider Trout to be a top 10 middleweight candidate but physically, he's definitely closer in size to the average middleweight Canelo would be facing, which is why I think Canelo's inability to really hurt Trout and put him away is telling.

Now if Canelo is to weigh at 160 he will not have that much of an issue with getting tired and you're forgetting that Canelo's getting better every fight.

I respectfully disagree about the stamina issue. Canelo is naturally stocky and will never realistically be able to achieve the type of conditioning possible with a leaner body composition. Fighting at middleweight may alleviate some of the extra damage he's doing to his cardiovascular system now when he cuts to 154, but it's just not common to see a person with Canelo's body type exhibiting great cardio. With effort, he should be able to get into better shape but again, once he moves up to 160, he's going to be facing longer, stronger fighters who are going to force him to work harder, so net-net, I think Canelo's poor conditioning is a natural shortcoming his opponents can rely on being there to try to exploit.

As for Canelo getting better in every fight, I don't think there's any doubt that he's improved over the course of his career but I don't know how anyone could watch the Trout fight and come away impressed. Trout's effort wasn't spectacular either but I think the fight was much closer than the Texas scorecards indicated.

I don't see much serious trouble for Canelo at 160 except for Golovkin to be honest with you and Golovkin is not a huge middleweight.

I suppose it depends on what you mean by "serious trouble".

I won't suggest that Canelo is going to move up to 160 and be destroyed by C or even B-level competition, but I think there are a good number of fighters at middleweight who, because Canelo won't be oversized anymore, will make him look a lot more average. And that's the point: the difference between Canelo the Superstar and Canelo the Contender is his ability to get down to a weight where good skill, coupled with size, makes him a bit too much for most of the competition to handle.

I'll readily admit that history could prove me wrong, but frankly, I can't name too many fighters who come into fights 15-20 pounds heavier than they weighed in at who are fighting in a lower weight class for no reason at all.

[Capricorn1985]

Are you ever right??

the answer to that is No.. I'm rarely ever right..lol..that's funny...

[pesticid]

I actually think a lot of observers recognize that Canelo is smart. Not Mayweather or Hopkins smart in the ring, obviously, but he's an intelligent kid.

As for speed, it's all relative. Even if you believe that Canelo is quicker than he's given credit for, the problem is that he doesn't throw enough punches. Note that there's a difference between being judicious and placing your punches and taking 2 minutes of every round off to conserve energy. Canelo does the latter, which will minimize any speed advantage he might have over his opponent.



I personally wouldn't consider Trout to be a top 10 middleweight candidate but physically, he's definitely closer in size to the average middleweight Canelo would be facing, which is why I think Canelo's inability to really hurt Trout and put him away is telling.



I respectfully disagree about the stamina issue. Canelo is naturally stocky and will never realistically be able to achieve the type of conditioning possible with a leaner body composition. Fighting at middleweight may alleviate some of the extra damage he's doing to his cardiovascular system now when he cuts to 154, but it's just not common to see a person with Canelo's body type exhibiting great cardio. With effort, he should be able to get into better shape but again, once he moves up to 160, he's going to be facing longer, stronger fighters who are going to force him to work harder, so net-net, I think Canelo's poor conditioning is a natural shortcoming his opponents can rely on being there to try to exploit.

As for Canelo getting better in every fight, I don't think there's any doubt that he's improved over the course of his career but I don't know how anyone could watch the Trout fight and come away impressed. Trout's effort wasn't spectacular either but I think the fight was much closer than the Texas scorecards indicated.



I suppose it depends on what you mean by "serious trouble".

I won't suggest that Canelo is going to move up to 160 and be destroyed by C or even B-level competition, but I think there are a good number of fighters at middleweight who, because Canelo won't be oversized anymore, will make him look a lot more average. And that's the point: the difference between Canelo the Superstar and Canelo the Contender is his ability to get down to a weight where good skill, coupled with size, makes him a bit too much for most of the competition to handle.

I'll readily admit that history could prove me wrong, but frankly, I can't name too many fighters who come into fights 15-20 pounds heavier than they weighed in at who are fighting in a lower weight class for no reason at all.

You're acting as if Canelo gets gassed in every fight. I don't remember him getting gassed in previous fights that bad. I think he had to lose a lot of weight and Trout was throwing a lot of punches with his long arms so Canelo had to avoid them. He was nervous and it was a step up. People here see one of Canelo's fights and is as if he's always had stamina issues. Look at the Rhodes fight and tell me how Canelo didn't have stamina, Rhodes used to fight at middleweight and he's a strong fighter. How about the Mosley fight where Canelo tore Mosley up and gave him the worst beatdown ina 12 round fight. I think you're making too many conclusions based on one fight and before the Trout fight many people thought that Cloud might even stop him, that's how high folks were on Trout and now that Canelo beat him, Trout is nothing special?