Comments Thread For: Duran: In My Era, Mayweather Would've Been Ordinary

[BennyST]

I think too many people have taken these views way out of context. When you actually look at the era Duran fought in, from top to bottom, not only do you realise why he said it and how true it is, but I think it's much more about Floyd being another one of many great, great fighters if he fought in that era.

He's only such a standout because he's in a division with guys who simply don't stack up no matter which way you spin it.

Going into the 70s, when Duran was just coming into his lightweight brilliance, you had:

Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier at HW
Bob Foster and **** Tiger at LHW
Carlos Monzon and Nino Benvenuti at MW
Jose Napoles, Leonard, Palomino at WW
Nicolino Locche, Antonino Cervantes and Wilfred Benitez at JWW
Roberto Duran himself, Ken Buchanan, Mando Ramos, Carlos Ortiz, Ismael Laguna, Sugar Ramos at LW
Alexis Arguello and earlier Hiroshi Kobayashi at JLW
Vincente Saldivar, Ernesto Marcel and Fighting Harada at FW
Ruben Olivares at BW
Miguel Canto at FLW

It just goes on and on too. That's not even going from the 60's when Duran started or into the 80's when he was still fighting as champion higher up. Incredible fighter and divisions full of scary talent. The contenders of past eras make 90% of today's champs look like trash. That's not a 'black and white' my era was the golden era kind of view. It's ****ing obvious as hell. You don't need anything other than a rudimentary understanding of boxing to see it either.

So yes, Floyd would be ordinary, in the sense that he'd be another great fighter in an era of a hell of a lot of great, legendary fighters. But, make no mistake about it, Floyd is great and Duran knows it and has said it many times before. He likes to watch Floyd and Hopkins more than most. Can't remember the article that he said it in, but he said whenever he watches boxing, which isn't much anymore, he likes to watch Floyd and Hopkins.

[alembic]

@BennyST, thanks for taking the time to write that fabulous post!

[JoeKidd]

So yes, Floyd would be ordinary, in the sense that he'd be another great fighter in an era of a hell of a lot of great, legendary fighters.

Another ordinary great fighter in that era? I got you. This is how you appeal to the ****** mass.

[junior gong]

So funny watching all these worldstar types getting their panties in a bunch!

[soul_survivor]

So funny watching all these worldstar types getting their panties in a bunch!

world star bro!!!!! yeah, G for life!

[ssc73]

Yes, it was - a clear, comprehensive schooling that nobody but the most ardent of Duran apologists would attempt to dispute.








Right, and how does turning your back during the middle of a championship fight and throwing your hands up like a petulant child equate to having any respect for the sport?








You're attempting to shift blame onto Leonard for something he had no part in, which is typical of your average Duran fanboy. Leonard didn't quit, Duran did - and would later do the same exact thing against Pat Lawlor.








Him beating the sh^t out of Buchanan doesn't change the fact that he commited an illegal and blatant foul in order to end the fight. Yeah, a real shining beacon for professionalism and sportsmanship in boxing.

Duran put a beating on Buchanan for 13 rounds. Buchanan was doing of for the last couple rounds but in no way threatening Duran.......the 'infamous low blow'........either you didn't see the fight or just read about it. The referee pulled down his arm which caused the low blow. Duran didn't hear the bell and as both fighters continued, the ref jumped on him from behind and pulled his arm down.......the fight was stopped because the ref frocked it up and didn't give Buchanan time to recover, not realizing he'd CAUSED the nutshot........

I'm not blaming Leonard for Duran walking away............there are so many versions of what happened, all you can do is look at the guy's career in whole OR judge one single moment in an ATG's career and choose to judge him for that single moment.

I prefer to do the former. As to what Duran said, in a fight where he wasn't his best but wasn't a wipeout on the cards, was that 'I didn't come here to fight a clown'..........the referee said 'no mas' as a question..........Duran never actually said it himself..

So going into that fight he was 72-1..........and after was a 'quitter'? Give me a break......

And the Benitez fight was NOT easy..........you're showing your real 'I wasn't there' knowledge on that one and going off of what you've read, heard.......or you're a Duran hater, which are easy to find with SRL fans..........The actual scoring of the fight was pretty much how MOST people saw that fight...one Benitez clearly won.....but I don't think I've ever heard it called 'easy' before........that's a new one.

No 15 round fight is easy.....Benitez' ONLY loss at that point was in an extremely close fight to Leonard.......and Duran didn't exactly have his heart in it at that point, just in it for the money.........he was up and down all the way after that but still managed titles at 154 and 160........but even before beating Moore, had considered retiring several times and was at the proper age to retire, certainly the number of fights....

Pat Lawlor?? Wow..........calling him a quitter in that one is a real stretch. Especially when he came back at what, 48-49 to beat him? To make that judgment, you're really reaching...He was only truly KO'd once by Hearns.....(unless you really want to count Joppy when duran was what? 50ish? Getting KO'd by Hearns is something he nor anyone else should or would be ashamed of.........and even then if you're honest, you know Duran was well beyond his best.......

I'm not an apologist for Duran........his career and what he accomplished speaks for itself..........I can point to quite a few of Mayweather's half-assed (Victoriano Sosa immediately comes to mind) efforts or point out some not-so-proud moments of just about any fighter you name............Let's take Leonard.......he 'retires' to avoid Hagler, who pushed for a rematch for a year, then got tired of waiting. The minute the danger of Hagler was gone.......he jumps back in to start hyping the second Hearns fight?? And was SOUNDLY beaten by Hearns........trounced even worse by Norris at around the same age Duran was when he won a title at 154, and who was the more shop-worn?

It's easier to pick at Duran given he fought over 5 decades......but that's your choice......

But I don't judge Leonard solely on the Hagler/Duran 2 fights or even the 'exhibition' against Kevin Howard, that despite the scorecards, you'd have to be an idiot to believe Leonard was really 'winning' or that Howard was unable to continue after the little shoeshine bull****, nor on the Norris/Camacho fights.......ATG's are not infallible and they shouldn't be judged entirely on one moment..........particularly when they've proven themselves warriors well before and after.

Duran could have retired after the first Leonard fight and called it good with an incredible record, considered the best or top 3 LW all-time who also happened to beat the best WW of the 80's and despite the disparity in accomplishment, Leonard was paid 5X more than Duran, which was shameful........

But Duran didn't retire, though it was his original intent. he didn't want the second fight, and he certainly didn't want it when they scheduled it.........he was pressured into a fight he didn't want, wasn't ready for, and thought Leonard was acting with disrespect and like a clown.......

Duran and Hagler were blue collar guys...........Leonard was a gold medalist that happened to come along at the perfect time when everyone was looking for Ali.......and many fighters resent that he was given the credit he was for so few actual rounds fought. I prefer Duran, Hagler and Hearns to Leonard.......but don't judge Leonard negatively for his gifts......

Only a moron would insinuate that Duran or any of the other 'big four' from the 80's were somehow not worthy of making comments on Mayweather or anything else. You don't have to listen to their opinions.........but you also aren't as smart as you think. I bet you're one of those forum guys that has a superiority complex built entirely on your own opinion.........that I'm certainly not impressed with. I'm pretty sure I could go through your posts and pick them apart. I can also make a pretty educated guess as to what fighters you like.........

But you're opinion isn't fact..........it's just you're opinion. I have mine.....you've done NOTHING to change it. I saw the fights......don't need you to tell me about them.

[ssc73]

I think too many people have taken these views way out of context. When you actually look at the era Duran fought in, from top to bottom, not only do you realise why he said it and how true it is, but I think it's much more about Floyd being another one of many great, great fighters if he fought in that era.

He's only such a standout because he's in a division with guys who simply don't stack up no matter which way you spin it.

Going into the 70s, when Duran was just coming into his lightweight brilliance, you had:

Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier at HW
Bob Foster and **** Tiger at LHW
Carlos Monzon and Nino Benvenuti at MW
Jose Napoles, Leonard, Palomino at WW
Nicolino Locche, Antonino Cervantes and Wilfred Benitez at JWW
Roberto Duran himself, Ken Buchanan, Mando Ramos, Carlos Ortiz, Ismael Laguna, Sugar Ramos at LW
Alexis Arguello and earlier Hiroshi Kobayashi at JLW
Vincente Saldivar, Ernesto Marcel and Fighting Harada at FW
Ruben Olivares at BW
Miguel Canto at FLW

It just goes on and on too. That's not even going from the 60's when Duran started or into the 80's when he was still fighting as champion higher up. Incredible fighter and divisions full of scary talent. The contenders of past eras make 90% of today's champs look like trash. That's not a 'black and white' my era was the golden era kind of view. It's ****ing obvious as hell. You don't need anything other than a rudimentary understanding of boxing to see it either.

So yes, Floyd would be ordinary, in the sense that he'd be another great fighter in an era of a hell of a lot of great, legendary fighters. But, make no mistake about it, Floyd is great and Duran knows it and has said it many times before. He likes to watch Floyd and Hopkins more than most. Can't remember the article that he said it in, but he said whenever he watches boxing, which isn't much anymore, he likes to watch Floyd and Hopkins.

Excellent post!

But Mayweather fans that are constantly defending won't get it........they'll take it as a knock on Floyd.........

Too sensitive. I like watching Mayweather. Liked watching Pac. Their fans usually find me rooting for the other guy when they fight..........and that's a shame.......

[Frank Ducketts]

I think too many people have taken these views way out of context. When you actually look at the era Duran fought in, from top to bottom, not only do you realise why he said it and how true it is, but I think it's much more about Floyd being another one of many great, great fighters if he fought in that era.

He's only such a standout because he's in a division with guys who simply don't stack up no matter which way you spin it.

Going into the 70s, when Duran was just coming into his lightweight brilliance, you had:

Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier at HW
Bob Foster and **** Tiger at LHW
Carlos Monzon and Nino Benvenuti at MW
Jose Napoles, Leonard, Palomino at WW
Nicolino Locche, Antonino Cervantes and Wilfred Benitez at JWW
Roberto Duran himself, Ken Buchanan, Mando Ramos, Carlos Ortiz, Ismael Laguna, Sugar Ramos at LW
Alexis Arguello and earlier Hiroshi Kobayashi at JLW
Vincente Saldivar, Ernesto Marcel and Fighting Harada at FW
Ruben Olivares at BW
Miguel Canto at FLW

It just goes on and on too. That's not even going from the 60's when Duran started or into the 80's when he was still fighting as champion higher up. Incredible fighter and divisions full of scary talent. The contenders of past eras make 90% of today's champs look like trash. That's not a 'black and white' my era was the golden era kind of view. It's ****ing obvious as hell. You don't need anything other than a rudimentary understanding of boxing to see it either.

So yes, Floyd would be ordinary, in the sense that he'd be another great fighter in an era of a hell of a lot of great, legendary fighters. But, make no mistake about it, Floyd is great and Duran knows it and has said it many times before. He likes to watch Floyd and Hopkins more than most. Can't remember the article that he said it in, but he said whenever he watches boxing, which isn't much anymore, he likes to watch Floyd and Hopkins.

Good post Ben. #Momentofclarity

[Frank Ducketts]

Duran put a beating on Buchanan for 13 rounds. Buchanan was doing of for the last couple rounds but in no way threatening Duran.......the 'infamous low blow'........either you didn't see the fight or just read about it. The referee pulled down his arm which caused the low blow. Duran didn't hear the bell and as both fighters continued, the ref jumped on him from behind and pulled his arm down.......the fight was stopped because the ref frocked it up and didn't give Buchanan time to recover, not realizing he'd CAUSED the nutshot........

I'm not blaming Leonard for Duran walking away............there are so many versions of what happened, all you can do is look at the guy's career in whole OR judge one single moment in an ATG's career and choose to judge him for that single moment.

I prefer to do the former. As to what Duran said, in a fight where he wasn't his best but wasn't a wipeout on the cards, was that 'I didn't come here to fight a clown'..........the referee said 'no mas' as a question..........Duran never actually said it himself..

So going into that fight he was 72-1..........and after was a 'quitter'? Give me a break......

And the Benitez fight was NOT easy..........you're showing your real 'I wasn't there' knowledge on that one and going off of what you've read, heard.......or you're a Duran hater, which are easy to find with SRL fans..........The actual scoring of the fight was pretty much how MOST people saw that fight...one Benitez clearly won.....but I don't think I've ever heard it called 'easy' before........that's a new one.

No 15 round fight is easy.....Benitez' ONLY loss at that point was in an extremely close fight to Leonard.......and Duran didn't exactly have his heart in it at that point, just in it for the money.........he was up and down all the way after that but still managed titles at 154 and 160........but even before beating Moore, had considered retiring several times and was at the proper age to retire, certainly the number of fights....

Pat Lawlor?? Wow..........calling him a quitter in that one is a real stretch. Especially when he came back at what, 48-49 to beat him? To make that judgment, you're really reaching...He was only truly KO'd once by Hearns.....(unless you really want to count Joppy when duran was what? 50ish? Getting KO'd by Hearns is something he nor anyone else should or would be ashamed of.........and even then if you're honest, you know Duran was well beyond his best.......

I'm not an apologist for Duran........his career and what he accomplished speaks for itself..........I can point to quite a few of Mayweather's half-assed (Victoriano Sosa immediately comes to mind) efforts or point out some not-so-proud moments of just about any fighter you name............Let's take Leonard.......he 'retires' to avoid Hagler, who pushed for a rematch for a year, then got tired of waiting. The minute the danger of Hagler was gone.......he jumps back in to start hyping the second Hearns fight?? And was SOUNDLY beaten by Hearns........trounced even worse by Norris at around the same age Duran was when he won a title at 154, and who was the more shop-worn?

It's easier to pick at Duran given he fought over 5 decades......but that's your choice......

But I don't judge Leonard solely on the Hagler/Duran 2 fights or even the 'exhibition' against Kevin Howard, that despite the scorecards, you'd have to be an idiot to believe Leonard was really 'winning' or that Howard was unable to continue after the little shoeshine bull****, nor on the Norris/Camacho fights.......ATG's are not infallible and they shouldn't be judged entirely on one moment..........particularly when they've proven themselves warriors well before and after.

Duran could have retired after the first Leonard fight and called it good with an incredible record, considered the best or top 3 LW all-time who also happened to beat the best WW of the 80's and despite the disparity in accomplishment, Leonard was paid 5X more than Duran, which was shameful........

But Duran didn't retire, though it was his original intent. he didn't want the second fight, and he certainly didn't want it when they scheduled it.........he was pressured into a fight he didn't want, wasn't ready for, and thought Leonard was acting with disrespect and like a clown.......

Duran and Hagler were blue collar guys...........Leonard was a gold medalist that happened to come along at the perfect time when everyone was looking for Ali.......and many fighters resent that he was given the credit he was for so few actual rounds fought. I prefer Duran, Hagler and Hearns to Leonard.......but don't judge Leonard negatively for his gifts......

Only a moron would insinuate that Duran or any of the other 'big four' from the 80's were somehow not worthy of making comments on Mayweather or anything else. You don't have to listen to their opinions.........but you also aren't as smart as you think. I bet you're one of those forum guys that has a superiority complex built entirely on your own opinion.........that I'm certainly not impressed with. I'm pretty sure I could go through your posts and pick them apart. I can also make a pretty educated guess as to what fighters you like.........

But you're opinion isn't fact..........it's just you're opinion. I have mine.....you've done NOTHING to change it. I saw the fights......don't need you to tell me about them.

Outside of the "picking apart peoples posts" comment, and "educated guess at to what fighters you like" part...a very good post.

[Frank Ducketts]

These Capone E fans and Pac fans are actually smiling when it comes to posting in this thread. For what, lmao? Duran wasn't talking about a fighter that you like. If he was, how many of you would be posting Duran quit and got ktfo in this thread, lmao.