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Comments Thread For: Duran: In My Era, Mayweather Would've Been Ordinary
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First, on Floyd.......BTW..about Duran.......
I wouldn't say he'd be ordinary. I do think he would have beaten Duran......with a few 'ifs'........like 'which era Duran, what weight, after losing the first fight', etc. I do think the $$ would have gotten Mayweather to WW much more quickly than he did get there.....but his stops at 135-140 would have been MUCH different......
Someone commented about Mayweather beating Hagler......First, he wouldn't have fought Hagler, second, if you're talking about the shop-worn guy that fought Leonard.......yea, he probably does. But any version of Hagler before around 85 KO's Floyd.
Hearns would be his toughest fight by far.......without the power to damage Hearns or the killer instinct that guys from that era have, he wouldn't be able to do much at all with Hearns. Maybe he's forced to be more a finisher in that era?? But even then would have had a very hard time touching Hearns...
Benitez and Leonard are MAJOR tests for Mayweather.......I think they are toss-ups.
Duran is right about Mayweather's competition to the extent that at the top, it's not there. But he's wrong about how good he is and how he stacks up. I think he is thrown into the conversation, but similar to Benitez, unfairly he would be an after thought when talking of the 'Big Four'..........
If I can't use draws, and you take the best of that era if Floyd turns pro at 130 in 76........I say it looks something like this:
Floyd SD Arguello 130
Duran UD Mayweather 135
Mayweather SD Duran 135
Mayweather UD Pryor 140
Mayweather SD Benitez
Hearns KO10 Mayweather
SRL SD Mayweather
IF Floyd chose to fight at 160, which would be a stretch......
Hagler KO12 Mayweather (if 85 or before, if after, Mayweather UD by NOT engaging. Just don't think that one legitimately happens)
De La Hoya was a draw?? Ok, I question if Duran is a little punchy on that one....but.......
Whoever talked smack about a Duran being a 'quitter' because he felt Leonard was making a mockery of the sport, wasn't there to fight,..........whatever version you use as to the reason Duran walked off, anyone who thinks Roberto Duran was a quitter with no fortitude KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT DURAN and is a pure idiot.
He BEAT Leonard the first time when Leonard DID fight him........he ran the second fight, used pot-shots and played games. I think Duran was out of shape and not properly prepared. If he had been and Leonard had legitimately wanted to fight, it's much different.....because he didn't. It was a pure joke....Leonard over did it, it's one thing to outbox someone, but to humiliate and run?? Duran could have gone dirty with nut shots and dragged Leonard into the gutter........but he respected the sport more than that.......
But if you think he was physically damaging Duran, hurting him or anywhere near knocking him out,......you're an idiot too. He never got close enough to do those things. The bolo bull**** and pitty-pat shots Leonard landed did NOTHING but impress the school-girl type broadcasters and judges
And if you think Duran somehow lacks heart, you're an even bigger idiot.
If Duran retires after the first Leonard fight, he goes down as first ballot HOF, Greatest LW all-time that, oh, by the way, beat the best WW of his era and top 5 all-time WW too......
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Originally posted by MurkaMan View PostGhost is an EXCELLENT inside fighter, and he beats the SHIET out of the body. He couldnt do that with Floyd because Floyd took it away from him by clinching him on the inside. Floyd did NO inside fighting with Ghost.
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Originally posted by periks19 View PostWho was the last person he knocked out with a body shot? If something he didn't do much against berto was go to the body
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Originally posted by periks19 View PostHow a bout the castillo 1? And he has his opinion on dlh vs pbf probBly he doesn't like the firhter that runs too much and throws like 15-20 punches per round. Remember he is old school where the challenger takes the belt from the champ
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Originally posted by periks19 View PostDude is not the best i could do is a fact. Since 11 years have passed he hasnt faced a good body puncher with good chin. There is a reason when pbf selects his opponents he avoids that thpe of fighter. And i do understand floyds shoulder injury but that is part of the game not because he was injured he deserved to be saved by the judges. Same like with berto which it looked like he was going to be saved until soto knocked his ass out. I admired bertos courage and heart but that shoulder injury is part of the game if bertos shoulder would of been healed i taught he would of won that fight maybe ko karas.
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Originally posted by periks19 View PostWho was the last person he knocked out with a body shot? If something he didn't do much against berto was go to the body
he was countering the right hand with body shots early, floyd either took them away or guerrero was taking the rights so hard he gave up on them.
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