Berto vs. Soto-Karass/Triple Header + Undercard RbR discussion thread

[boxingfeind]

To be honest, Berto's chin has always been funny.

He got dropped by severely by Cosme Rivera; hurt by soft hitting Collazo; dropped several times by ortiz/guerrero, etc.

And now Soto... He's just had a weird chin.

I do remember at one point when he could actually stick and move. But at some point he just got so caught up in going toe to toe. Maybe it was because people called him boring

For some reason he thinks he's a tank and he tries to fight like Foreman, but as I tell people all the time. You have weight room strong and you have fight strong.

Pac 08/09, as small as he was was fight strong. I get lauged at, but I considered Pac a strong WW.

Berto, with all the muscle was the perfect example of weight room strong. Kinda similar to shane mosley

Looks are sometimes deceiving;Berto is not that physically strong despite his big muscles.Guererro who started his career at featherweight,moved up 2 weight-classes and pushed Berto to the ropes and pound on him.And Guerrero do not have big muscles.

[PAC-BOY]

nuts the size of g****fruits.

Im not sure about the size of his nuts, but i think if Berto stops trying to mimic others style and find one that suits him, he could (maybe) be an okay fighter.
Hands down to side....Roy
Shaking his head when hit...Floyd-Broner
Shoulder roll...Floyd
mouth open...Broner

If he ever wins a title...Paulie will be back to take it from him. LOL with Bertos chin I think Paulie would KO him.

[BoxingGenius27]

Looks are sometimes deceiving;Berto is not that physically strong despite his big muscles.Guererro who started his career at featherweight,moved up 2 weight-classes and pushed Berto to the ropes and pound on him.And Guerrero do not have big muscles.

Exactly. I think Berto would be good in MMA though. He'll be pretty good in the clinch game if he knew how to use his upper body strength like wrestlers. But for a boxer, being built like that with no leg muscles isn't good.

[Russian Crushin]

I said soto would beat him. Berto is one of the most overrated fighters in a long time, the definition if a hype job

[Realizniguhnit]

Exactly. I think Berto would be good in MMA though. He'll be pretty good in the clinch game if he knew how to use his upper body strength like wrestlers. But for a boxer, being built like that with no leg muscles isn't good.

Exactly, That explains why Berto looked good in the first couple of rounds, but once his muscles started filling up with blood the power faded.

But I do like the fact that Hunter put him back on the weights because Conte had Berto lay off the weights for a few fights and his power was lacking, you cannot just stop lifting weights cold turkey after lifting for years and expect to have better results, it doesn't work like that..

So the power was back but unfortunately he is the same old Berto, his chin and boxing IQ is the main problem..

Adrien Broner is also suffering from the same problem he is just still young and isn't aware of it yet..

[Carpe Diem]

Berto should try to train to have a leaner body instead of constantly beefing up like he's ready for a bodybuilding contest.

[BoxingGenius27]

Exactly, That explains why Berto looked good in the first couple of rounds, but once his muscles started filling up with blood the power faded.

But I do like the fact that Hunter put him back on the weights because Conte had Berto lay off the weights for a few fights and his power was lacking, you cannot just stop lifting weights cold turkey after lifting for years and expect to have better results, it doesn't work like that..

So the power was back but unfortunately he is the same old Berto, his chin and boxing IQ is the main problem..

Adrien Broner is also suffering from the same problem he is just still young and isn't aware of it yet..

Totally agree. I don't see those weights doing Broner justice at 147.

Lol these guys have to stop fighting like they're tanks because they're in the weight room.

Don't get me wrong, you have guys like Tyson/holyfield who were weight room strong and fight strong. But, the key here is you have to know "yourself".

If you realize that no matter how many weights you lift and you're still not hurting or knocking guys out, you have to change your game plan. Shane Mosley suffered from this when he moved up to JMW.

Broner will too

[BoxingGenius27]

But then you look at guys like Mathysse who has zero muscle definition whatsoever but KO'ing motherfcukers.

[NearHypnos]

Exactly. I think Berto would be good in MMA though. He'll be pretty good in the clinch game if he knew how to use his upper body strength like wrestlers. But for a boxer, being built like that with no leg muscles isn't good.

There's nothing wrong with his legs in comparison to most boxers.

If anything Berto for a guy with so much mass on him is kind of an anomaly. Many guys built that way tire out fast where Berto has never had questionable stamina. He also retains his power and is VERY fast where that's usually never the case for that physique. He also retains the ability to punch hard and be explosive pretty much throughout the fight. Physically Berto has a lot going for him..a lot. He's chinny though and has ZERO inside game or much of a defense. His new shoulder roll where he rolls INTO punches is really bad too lol

Most wrestlers I've known have really strong legs btw. >__>...


Also Berto is NOTHING like Shane's strength or physique. Shane was very powerful and a strong guy in the ring even at 154 he was never really man handled per se even against guys like Winky. That and an ATG esque chin. :/

[BoxingGenius27]

There's nothing wrong with his legs in comparison to most boxers.

If anything Berto for a guy with so much mass on him is kind of an anomaly. Many guys built that way tire out fast where Berto has never had questionable stamina. He also retains his power and is VERY fast where that's usually never the case for that physique. He also retains the ability to punch hard and be explosive pretty much throughout the fight. Physically Berto has a lot going for him..a lot. He's chinny though and has ZERO inside game or much of a defense. His new shoulder roll where he rolls INTO punches is really bad too lol

Most wrestlers I've known have really strong legs btw. >__>...

But why do Berto's punches have no effect on his opponents.

Sure he's very explosive and his punches look good. But he's not Lucas Mathysse'ing dudes.

The last guy he stopped I believe was Quintana. and that was one of those fights where Quintana was out on his feet but never went down.

Also, head movement. Berto has zero head movement. He just stands with this mano y mano thing. At least Tyson moved his head when he exploded. Berto explodes, but his has no effect.

Regarding his calves, they don't match his body. I would think his thighs are the same way. Maybe that's good for his weight, but he actually has the upper body of a JMW and the legs of a JWW, similar to Mathysse's