Comments Thread For: London Calling: Flawed KO should be catalyst for change

[daggum]

They did that with Cortez after the Ortiz farce and all he did was show how his pre-conceptions about the fighters influenced his decision-making. A lot of these refs are actually pretty braindead, I'd rather not hear what they have to say when they only confirm their incompetence.

It was like getting Duane Ford to justify his Pac-Bradley scores, he just made an idiot out of himself.

judges are very smart people

[jbpanama]

Better to be too cautious than too lax? How about... better to do it RIGHT. Doing it RIGHT means you don't skroo-over either fighter. I agree with Lyle on this one. 10 means 10. Let the fight play out to it's natural finish. Don't be a Joe Cortez type ref. Way too much corruption in this sport.

Fitz got it Right, and led the Charge, for Truth Justice and the American Way...
Thanks Lyle!!!

[D-MiZe]

So you ask me for video, but you don't believe it? C'mon stop with bull****. You know exactly what happened, he counted him out at 9.

It's clear you've made up your mind but don't want to admit that yore wrong wrong because you clearly are. You're just in justify mode now

Did everything I say just go over your head?

How can I refute evidence such as a video you imbecile. I do not doubt that was the official result given, all I asked for was to hear the referee's opinion on it.

I'm not wrong because I didn't assert anything that could be proven to be wrong. At the end of the day, only assumptions can be made and whilst I'm quite happy to state mine without asserting 'em, you're trying to pass yours off as fact.

[D-MiZe]

Better to be too cautious than too lax? How about... better to do it RIGHT. Doing it RIGHT means you don't skroo-over either fighter. I agree with Lyle on this one. 10 means 10. Let the fight play out to it's natural finish. Don't be a Joe Cortez type ref. Way too much corruption in this sport.

Look, we all love to see someone getting knocked out or pummelled on the ropes but over here, it doesn't happen. If the chasm in class is too evident, the fight will be stopped e.g Calzaghe fights, pretty much all good prospects in their early fights get stoppages like these.

If the referee is saying that Scott was counted out, then there is definitely a reason to appeal and should, rightfully so, feel aggrieved. However, I've seen fights ended like that (nearly finished the 10-count, fighter rises late) and gets waved off without being counted out.

I'm a complete neutral in this debate, as neutral as you can get and as open minded as they come. Sure, the referee could've done more to prolong the fight but he made his decision and we should wait until we hear what he has to say, until then, lets just keep making assumptions.

[New England]

Based on when he stood and his demeanor afterwards, I think Scott quit. Or maybe the ref saw something in his eyes that suggested Scott wasn't interested in continuing.

the ref's keeping his eyes on the fighter's eyes and evaluating him during hte count. he is not watching the guy's feet, especailly when the guy is 6'4". scott's got to make the ref's job easy by proving that he's up by 10 and ready to fight. he didn't act like a professional, and it cause the ref to wave him off, rightfully by the rule book or otherwise.

[New England]

Look, we all love to see someone getting knocked out or pummelled on the ropes but over here, it doesn't happen. If the chasm in class is too evident, the fight will be stopped e.g Calzaghe fights, pretty much all good prospects in their early fights get stoppages like these.

If the referee is saying that Scott was counted out, then there is definitely a reason to appeal and should, rightfully so, feel aggrieved. However, I've seen fights ended like that (nearly finished the 10-count, fighter rises late) and gets waved off without being counted out.

I'm a complete neutral in this debate, as neutral as you can get and as open minded as they come. Sure, the referee could've done more to prolong the fight but he made his decision and we should wait until we hear what he has to say, until then, lets just keep making assumptions.

many of the calzaghe stoppages were a joke. the best example is manfredo jr. those shots were of no consequence whatsoever. awful stoppage.

british refs have a reputation the world over for stopping fights early. i don't think they're corrupt, i think they just have a standard of what's "reasonable punishment" in a boxing ring that differs from America's.

[Ferociousfrank]

Robbed

How about prodnikov - Bradley? Replay would have confirmed the first knockdown! That would have made it a draw, and then the stumbling Bradley did tripping backwards across the ring into the ropes that held him up would have put him up a point.... It's all bull****, they had too much money invested in him to give ruslan the win... They are trying to build a brand with him but it ain't working! They are making boxing look bad in the process.. The paq decision, then the prodnikov win? Even if it wasn't a knockdown in the earlier round, the judges still should have given that a 10-8 round... It's not just the referees it's the judging also... The promoters sway it all, the judges the commentators, they control it all

[Russian Crushin]

Did everything I say just go over your head?

How can I refute evidence such as a video you imbecile. I do not doubt that was the official result given, all I asked for was to hear the referee's opinion on it.

I'm not wrong because I didn't assert anything that could be proven to be wrong. At the end of the day, only assumptions can be made and whilst I'm quite happy to state mine without asserting 'em, you're trying to pass yours off as fact.

You obviously do doubt it, which is why you want the "ref's opinion". Do the officials just create their own decision? No they asking the ref what he called.

Mine are facts, the official result is a count out, you're the one that is creating a different story to support your agenda. You are clearly wrong, im not sure how you're still trying pretend that you're not

[Russian Crushin]

Look, we all love to see someone getting knocked out or pummelled on the ropes but over here, it doesn't happen. If the chasm in class is too evident, the fight will be stopped e.g Calzaghe fights, pretty much all good prospects in their early fights get stoppages like these.

If the referee is saying that Scott was counted out, then there is definitely a reason to appeal and should, rightfully so, feel aggrieved. However, I've seen fights ended like that (nearly finished the 10-count, fighter rises late) and gets waved off without being counted out.

I'm a complete neutral in this debate, as neutral as you can get and as open minded as they come. Sure, the referee could've done more to prolong the fight but he made his decision and we should wait until we hear what he has to say, until then, lets just keep making assumptions.

How are you a neutral if you refute the official result. Open minded does not mean you cant create your own conclusions instead of what actually happened

[Ray Corso]

That rule is flawed!!!! At ten the ref can wave the fighter forward and then judge if he has mobility or not! Waving off the fighter at 9 is BS!!! Ray.