Comments Thread For: London Calling: Flawed KO should be catalyst for change

[D-MiZe]

No he was counted out, this was a KO. The ref must wave in any case a fight isn't a decision so I'm not sure what him waving proves anyway.

No Brits are hugging their own fighters nuts. They first argued that the wave counts as 10 and now that he wasn't a KO. And wrong in both cases

Prove to me via a link of an article or video that he was counted out.

No, Russian, believe me on this, you're wrong. You live in America, can you at least adopt the view point of someone who lives in a country where things like this happen week in, week out?

America is very lenient with stoppages, over here it's much more strict. Shit, I've seen the referee get up to 7 in a 10 count when a boxer was stone cold out before he even hit the deck! Where as over here, a referee doesn't even have to like the look of you to stop it. I've seen fighters stopped whilst nodding their head saying they're fine.

Who the fuck likes Chisora anyway? I think the rest of my brethren are just poking fun at ze Yanks and well... it seems to be working.

[D-MiZe]

Prove to me via a link of an article or video that he was counted out.

No, Russian, believe me on this, you're wrong. You live in America, can you at least adopt the view point of someone who lives in a country where things like this happen week in, week out?

America is very lenient with stoppages, over here it's much more strict. Shit, I've seen the referee get up to 7 in a 10 count when a boxer was stone cold out before he even hit the deck! Where as over here, a referee doesn't even have to like the look of you to stop it. I've seen fighters stopped whilst nodding their head saying they're fine.

Who the fuck likes Chisora anyway? I think the rest of my brethren are just poking fun at ze Yanks and well... it seems to be working.

How can the ref count him out with no 10-count?

All it is, is the referee reached the count of 9 and never reached 10 before waving his arms. That must give you the perception that he waved it off instead of counting 10. Had Scott got up at 7 or 8, may've still been called off, we'll never know. I want some evidence that he was counted out however, otherwise that is just an assumption.

[ddeg10]

Scott was rocked, lost his judgment slightly, and got up a second too late. He f--ed up and it's his own fault. Don't see what the controversy is here, and I don't agree with changing the rules based upon situations like this. However, some sort of instant replay option does need to be added to boxing, for specific instances (accidental head butts, illegal blows, etc). It's a valid concern - but in this specific instance I don't see how that would need to be exercised.

[Russian Crushin]

Prove to me via a link of an article or video that he was counted out.

No, Russian, believe me on this, you're wrong. You live in America, can you at least adopt the view point of someone who lives in a country where things like this happen week in, week out?

America is very lenient with stoppages, over here it's much more strict. Shit, I've seen the referee get up to 7 in a 10 count when a boxer was stone cold out before he even hit the deck! Where as over here, a referee doesn't even have to like the look of you to stop it. I've seen fighters stopped whilst nodding their head saying they're fine.

Who the fuck likes Chisora anyway? I think the rest of my brethren are just poking fun at ze Yanks and well... it seems to be working.

Strict with what? If the UK is so strict, how did the ref get it wrong? The rule says he must count to 10 and then wave. Another poster posted a video of the ref in Pulev-Ustinov. In that fight he counted to 10, the correct way.

Here's the video @ 22:35 I can embed

http://********/12TDyPaYs60

[Russian Crushin]

How can the ref count him out with no 10-count?

All it is, is the referee reached the count of 9 and never reached 10 before waving his arms. That must give you the perception that he waved it off instead of counting 10. Had Scott got up at 7 or 8, may've still been called off, we'll never know. I want some evidence that he was counted out however, otherwise that is just an assumption.

C'mon what's do hard to get, he counted him out. Lets not invent out own conclusions

[D-MiZe]

Strict with what? If the UK is so strict, how did the ref get it wrong? The rule says he must count to 10 and then wave. Another poster posted a video of the ref in Pulev-Ustinov. In that fight he counted to 10, the correct way.

Here's the video @ 22:35 I can embed

http://********/12TDyPaYs60

If a fighter is knocked down, a 10-count is issued.

At any time in that 10-count, the fight can be stopped. If he doesn't rise until 6, but rises in a manner which the referee deems unacceptable to continue - it's ended.

I've seen fights where a boxer has waited until 5/6, come up and still been waved off. It's all down to what condition the referee thinks you're in. The tricky thing with Saturday night was Scott came up between the 9 & 10-count ergo, he wasn't still knocked down for a 10 count.

You don't keep counting once they stand. Could you imagine the uproar if he counted 10 whilst Scott was stood up and then waved it off? Once you rise from the canvas, you're stating that you want to continue. It is then the duty of the referee to inspect whether you're fit enough to continue, which he didn't believe Scott was.

He made up in his mind when he reached the 9-count that he was going to end it. He didn't even ask him if he was OK or rub the gloves.

[I Love Jesus!]

Gotta love reading an article about what needs to change in boxing in 1 sentence then in the next giving credibility to the IBO yet another unwanted/unneeded sanctioning body

[Weebler I]

It was no big surprise to me to see Malik Scott get screwed over as I posted that would happen once the fight was announced. The Ref learned from the David Price vs Thompson to stop the fight while his guy was ahead to avoid further embarrassment from another aging American.

Chisora is 29, Scott is 32? Scott wasn't going to win anyway imo.

Tony Thompson is your best heavyweight regardless of age.

[Russian Crushin]

If a fighter is knocked down, a 10-count is issued.

At any time in that 10-count, the fight can be stopped. If he doesn't rise until 6, but rises in a manner which the referee deems unacceptable to continue - it's ended.

I've seen fights where a boxer has waited until 5/6, come up and still been waved off. It's all down to what condition the referee thinks you're in. The tricky thing with Saturday night was Scott came up between the 9 & 10-count ergo, he wasn't still knocked down for a 10 count.

You don't keep counting once they stand. Could you imagine the uproar if he counted 10 whilst Scott was stood up and then waved it off? Once you rise from the canvas, you're stating that you want to continue. It is then the duty of the referee to inspect whether you're fit enough to continue, which he didn't believe Scott was.

He made up in his mind when he reached the 9-count that he was going to end it. He didn't even ask him if he was OK or rub the gloves.

Did you watch the video, what was the official result announced as?

If you count someone out you must count to 10. Lets not make up our own rule now. He made up his mind at 9 that he's gonna count him out at 9 instead of 10?

Also why did he count to 10 I'm pulev-Ustinov? Or are you only suppose to count to 9 when the fighter tries to get up?

[D-MiZe]

Did you watch the video, what was the official result announced as?

If you count someone out you must count to 10. Lets not make up our own rule now. He made up his mind at 9 that he's gonna count him out at 9 instead of 10?

No, I'm saying in his head he's thinking 'if he doesn't get up at 9, I'll end the fight'. Again, I'd be really interested to hear from the referee rather than the timekeeper or the officials at ringside who decided the result.

Watching it back doesn't change my opinion. Makes me think that maybe the referee thought he was taking a knee and when he got up it was because the fight was over. Either way, the referee didn't do everything he could've possibly done in his power to continue the fight. However, Scott gave him too much reason to end it.

Trust me, if there is a grievance, the BBBofC will pick it up and deal with it. But Scott didn't look too bothered with the ending and I haven't heard anything since.


EDIT: The count ends once a fighter is stood-up, unless it's a standing 8, the referee can continue if he wants. Let's not be pedantic about that.