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  • #41
    Originally posted by MayMosPeaHop View Post
    Your whole post was garbage. The simple fact is Bob Arum did not and does not believe Manny can beat FMJ. If Arum thought Manny could win, the fight would have happened back in 2009. Stop the charade, Manny would have had a punchers chance. No more no less and you know it.
    If Manny fought the way he did against Oscar he would have outboxed Floyd, and that would be the most humiliated loss, Floyds legacy as a master boxer would have went down the drain. Imagine if he got out boxed by Pacman lol how embarrassing, all the flowmos would say that Floyd just got old, when the truth is he probably wouldn't be able to time him Floyds eyes would be focused on trying to look at Pacs movement, and Floyd has to have the perfect shot or else he will not risk throwing his punch.

    Its why he didn't wan to fight a prime Pacman, the rhythm issue is what bugged him and the constant in and out angled combos from everywhere. Cotto got on his toes and was jabbing Floyds nose and Floyd couldn;t even avoid them when Cotto did that, too bad Cotto has crap stamina.

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    • #42
      Originally posted by MASONSC View Post
      This is your problem. Sometimes the easiest answer is the best one, good common sense. You people look so hard into things to discredit guys you don't like and outthink yourselves.

      Even your response made no sense

      We want to tear Floyd down because people always bet their money on him and big Pacquiao up because he's been an underdog more?

      Isn't it the greatest compliment to ones abilities that people will bet their money on him whether or not they like him?
      Oh. So now we're having a discussion about "tearing Floyd down." That's what this is.

      The reality that Mayweather "avoids" opponents who may give him problems is an accepted fact in the boxing community. This is not a matter of opinion. That is the consensus view.

      WHO IS OVERTHINKING???

      You failed, bud. If you really thought you were going to try and counter me with something as simple as "It's not Floyd's fault he's the best" then you're a moron. You can't insert into this my meaning. Absolutely not, simp. Now you're again telling me what I meant. Bad idea.

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      • #43
        Simple answer, everything looks tailor made when you're as good as Floyd is, and then sometimes you get KO'ed by the blown up LW that Floyd schooled, you know the same guy Pacquiao still doesn't have a legit victory over.

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        • #44
          Originally posted by hectari View Post
          I have never seen Floyd fight anyone similar to Josh Clottey or a winky wright style.

          Or someone like timothy Bradley who can fighting backing up and in close and mix it up with movement. He never fought guys like that when he had the chance Joel Casamayor comes to mind.

          Most of Floyds biggest wins are against come forward fighters. Also when Floyd fought the taiormade Oscar de la hoya he looked wack and almost lost a sd, Pacman destroyed him, and nobody gave Pacman a shot against Oscar.
          Didn't you say Cotto could fight going backwards and mix it up in your last post?

          I can't recall Floyd fighting an opponent with a high guard like Winky and Tito. Not many guys out there who fight that way.

          I've heard people throw Casamayor in there with guys Floyd didn't fight, but I don't remember it being a fight everyone was clamoring for either. Fact is we don't know why it didn't get made. I've heard Floyd say Casamayor and Freitas didn't want to fight him.

          I don't see how you can say Oscar was tailor made for Floyd. He was bigger, longer, and had a great jab which is supposed to be Floyd's kryptonite. People also forget Floyd was a small Welterweight at the time and people were questioning him about fighting legit welterweights. He moved up for Oscar and gave away a lot of size in his first fight in an even bigger division. No way that fight was really a SD too.

          Pacquiao - De La Hoya doesn't even need to be explained again. Great win for Manny but.....we all know the rest.

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          • #45
            Originally posted by A-Wolf View Post
            Oh. So now we're having a discussion about "tearing Floyd down." That's what this is.

            The reality that Mayweather "avoids" opponents who may give him problems is an accepted fact in the boxing community. This is not a matter of opinion. That is the consensus view.

            WHO IS OVERTHINKING???

            You failed, bud. If you really thought you were going to try and counter me with something as simple as "It's not Floyd's fault he's the best" then you're a moron. You can't insert into this my meaning. Absolutely not, simp. Now you're again telling me what I meant. Bad idea.
            Still trying too hard. Floyd is always the favorite because people won't bet against him. It's that simple.

            The "ducking" myth is just that. He's been fighting top 3 guys for a while now. He's been fighting better opponents than Manny ever since the fight fell through.

            Canelo was seen as a real threat and someone he would duck. He signed to fight him and now people like you are switching your stance. After he beats him, Canelo will have been another hand picked opponent. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

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            • #46
              Originally posted by hectari View Post
              I have never seen Floyd fight anyone similar to Josh Clottey or a winky wright style.

              Or someone like timothy Bradley who can fighting backing up and in close and mix it up with movement. He never fought guys like that when he had the chance Joel Casamayor comes to mind.

              Most of Floyds biggest wins are against come forward fighters. Also when Floyd fought the taiormade Oscar de la hoya he looked wack and almost lost a sd, Pacman destroyed him, and nobody gave Pacman a shot against Oscar.
              Anyone that brings up the Oscar fight being a SD is lost. That fight was no more a SD than Bradley's gift decision over Manny. I am not in this thread to discuss bad judging. The original question implied FMJ fights tailor made opponents just like Manny. I disagree. I will say FMJ has not fought a opponent like Clottey, but Manny should not have either because he was undeserving of the fight. As for Joel, that is fight I would have liked to see at 130lbs. But I am not bothered by not seeing it because FMJ went to 135lbs to fight Castillo and then kept moving up in weight. Lastly, the weigh in for the Oscar fight was the biggest red flag you will ever get before a fight. I won so much money off that fight, people are so gullible.

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              • #47
                Originally posted by MASONSC View Post
                Still trying too hard. Floyd is always the favorite because people won't bet against him. It's that simple.

                The "ducking" myth is just that. He's been fighting top 3 guys for a while now. He's been fighting better opponents than Manny ever since the fight fell through.

                Canelo was seen as a real threat and someone he would duck. He signed to fight him and now people like you are switching your stance. After he beats him, Canelo will have been another hand picked opponent. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
                lmao @ how full of **** this simp is. You aren't qualified to speak, boy.

                Mayweather is going to Baldomir Canelo.

                http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=593948

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by hectari View Post
                    If Manny fought the way he did against Oscar he would have outboxed Floyd, and that would be the most humiliated loss, Floyds legacy as a master boxer would have went down the drain. Imagine if he got out boxed by Pacman lol how embarrassing, all the flowmos would say that Floyd just got old, when the truth is he probably wouldn't be able to time him Floyds eyes would be focused on trying to look at Pacs movement, and Floyd has to have the perfect shot or else he will not risk throwing his punch.

                    Its why he didn't wan to fight a prime Pacman, the rhythm issue is what bugged him and the constant in and out angled combos from everywhere. Cotto got on his toes and was jabbing Floyds nose and Floyd couldn;t even avoid them when Cotto did that, too bad Cotto has crap stamina.

                    Did JMM time Pac in his prime? Nuff said. Stop being unrealistic. Manny out boxing FMJ? Seriously!!!!! Manny wants the FMJ fight because he is a fighter, but Manny does not pick his fights. The probability of Manny beating FMJ was slim and Bob Arum knew that. Just accept the truth. Bob Arum did not think Manny could win. Even Freddy Roach doubted Manny could win and spoke of Manny making the same mistakes over and over against JMM.

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by chessmatch View Post
                      I honestly thought ORtiz was tougher for Floyd than many believe. Before the cheapshot he was steamrolling through Ortiz's punches. I believe the risk averse Floyd took the safe route with the cheapshot.
                      I agree, especially after Floyd got caught with Mosley. Ortiz was looking real dangerous. As far as the KO, I personally LOVED it. This is boxing, and your supposed to do that if the chance is presented to you. Floyd didnt KO him because of the headbutt. He did it because Ortiz hugged him too many times, and Floyd saw his chance and took it. I could careless for Ortiz's headbutt, and saying Floyd did it out of revenge. He did it because Ortiz gave him the chance, and general consensus was that Floyd didnt have his killer instinct to do something like that. I LOVED it!!

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