Comments Thread For: Koncz: Mayweather is Scared He Will Lose To Pacquiao

[JoeKidd]

I'm glad you agree with the points of my post. Yes the percentages are crazy as you say but they are accurate to within say, a single percentage point, and the information comes both from direct quotes from those involved, as well as internet research.

However i wouldn't be surprised if a bit of accounting manipulation would reduce these a bit.

Here are a few figures which are written in stone. PPV Cable people take from 50-55% of the PPV sale take, no matter whom nor what. That's their long established cut. The IRS take is around 39% and local taxes and etc take up another 3-4%. Arum said that the new tax bite of about 42% was what caused MannyP to decide not to fight in the US again. Local taxes for arena seats are about $7 each. When promoters wish to boost up their PR crap, they pay the seat tax on the unoccupied seats and can then boast of being "SOLD OUT".

When MannyP showed how much he really wanted Roach to train him, The Roach stuck him for a full 10% at a time when he was vulnerable. I've never liked Roach ever since. A trainer of a top earning fighter may be paid anything from 3% to 10%. The Roach said he wouldn't take a cent less. And that's what Pacquaio accepted. The cut-man gets from 1-3%. Then there are the other team members, camp, hotels, transport etc. although the promoter pays for some of that usually. The Promoter share is 27% and any good promoter really earns his money, because without him there wouldn't be a single cup of coffee sold at the fight-if it took place.

Yes, he'll make a lot more from his Rios fight than he would have from that $40 mill Mayweather fight. Probably about 3 times as much. MannyP is quaranteed, as I have read many times, about $20-25 mill minimum from each fight, and if the PPV is good it can be a lot more. He gets about 85% of the (50% of the) PPV, or he used to a year or so ago. His guarantee might be a bit less now after the KO loss, I don't know. Arum usually announces a "guarantee" of about $7-8 mill which I think is purely for Commission purposes, because they demand that the guarantee amount must be paid to the fighter immediately after the fight.

I believe that whoever he fights it will be still a big attraction because of his global celebrity reputation. He signed a few major endorsements AFTER his KO loss to Marquez. He's the most popular figure in 2/3rds of the world next to the Creator. Arum has had a lot to do with marketing him which resulting in his global stature. I know that he encouraged him in his political ambitions, and actually went to the Philippines to support him and make speeches for him. At least so it was reported on this site-if my memory is correct. I'm pretty sure he got a lot if advice over the years from Arum, who would naturally be intrigued by Pacquiao's background and story.

I may have made a few errors and I'm sure there's a lot more that I don't know, because boxing has the most labyrinthine machinations leading up to a fight that would make Machiavelli look like a kid in kindergarten. And sorry it's so long.

Excellent post. Journalists don't even bother to be so thorough. Are you Bob Arum?

[big_james10]

Again with the crappy lies. The temporary stadium had nothing to do with Arum other than that MGM wanted the first fight in it to be the Pacquiao-Mayweather one. Arum said that it would hold more and allow cheaper seats for people who normally could not afford such a fight. MGM showed the blueprints to Arum and he made a statement about it. Arum also said that MannyP could NOT fight on May 5th because he bone-deep eye cut took 6 months to heal and the earliest the doctors said Pacquiao would be allowed to train was April. They didn't build the temp stadium because it was obvious that Mayweather wasn't going to fight; so they proceeded with their more permanent plans.

The temp stadium was the idea of MGM International, and was to be erected on a 10 acre plot of land that MGM owned. They are presently erecting a new stadium which is ongoing right now. It's has 20,000 seats, is on the Strip and is being built by AEG the world-famous sport's arena builders. It's been in the works for the past 6 years.

So put that in your ****** mouth and swallow it without water.

Seriously, you can't be this ******. Arum claimed Pac couldn't fight on May 5 because of his eye injury. However, when Arum thought Mayweather was going to jail and would not be available on May 5, Arum planned to stage Pacquaio/Marquez IV on May 5. The ridiculous idea of a temporary stadium that couldn't be ready until June only came up after Mayweather's jail sentence was moved back to June 1 and he became available to fight on May 5. Bob Arum had to come up with another excuse to avoid staging the fight, so he came up wit this temporary stadium idea. The only person/entity who ever mentioned anything about a temporary stadium was Bob Arum.

Also, Arum never spoke to anyone in Mayweather's camp or GBP about staging a fight in May 2012. When Schafer tried to set up a meeting, Arum refused, claiming that he had already planned to stage Pacquaio/Marquez IV and had no interest in a Pac/Mayweather fight. How the hell can you make plans to build a stadium to host a fight when you haven't even spoke to the opposing camp about making a fight?

As Mayweather stated, there is a reason why he left Bob Arum. Pacquaio will understand this a few years after he retires when he realizes how much money he missed out on by allowing Arum to control his career.

[big_james10]

this guy must be living in a cave or something.

Yes, I have been living in cave. So, please prove me wrong. Please link me to five articles that have been written in the last month on this website or any website about the Pac/Rios fight. I can link you to about 200 that have been written about the Mayweather/Alvarez fight in the last month.

So, by all means, prove to me what an idiot I am and how little I know.

[JoeKidd]

As Mayweather stated, there is a reason why he left Bob Arum. Pacquaio will understand this a few years after he retires when he realizes how much money he missed out on by allowing Arum to control his career.

To tag with Floyd, you have to be his "boy". Pacquiao's affairs seem to be quite in order. All promoters are sleaze to some extent but Floyd is beyond! Don't see Arum being his boy.

[chessmatch]

Mayweather is even more worried about the potential loss to Pacquiao now especially after what happened with the Marquez fight.

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Mayweather is even more worried about the potential loss to Pacquiao now especially after what happened with the Marquez fight.

There is no potential loss ! Manny cant and never could beat Floyd , there is more chance of Floyd losing to Canelo than Manny , this whole thing is about Arum and Floyd not wanting to give him a penny , Team Pac had their chance when the fight was huge and they were offered 50/50 , they will never get that offer again , they knew Manny will lose that fight it was more business sense to milk 4-5 fights out of him than lose that huge Mayweather fight and stop Mannys momentum ,. now they don't care because Manny is trying to cash out , now the testing which they used to get out of the fight is being used by Manny , the whole road is BS .

This fight stalled more because of behind the scenes power play politics and personal grievances than boxing .

[chessmatch]

There is no potential loss ! Manny cant and never could beat Floyd , there is more chance of Floyd losing to Canelo than Manny , this whole thing is about Arum and Floyd not wanting to give him a penny , Team Pac had their chance when the fight was huge and they were offered 50/50 , they will never get that offer again , they knew Manny will lose that fight it was more business sense to milk 4-5 fights out of him than lose that huge Mayweather fight and stop Mannys momentum ,. now they don't care because Manny is trying to cash out , now the testing which they used to get out of the fight is being used by Manny , the whole road is BS .

This fight stalled more because of behind the scenes power play politics and personal grievances than boxing .

Listen son, if ''Money'' was convinced he could beat him he would have taken the fight, period. The fact that he thought he was on drugs shows you he was scared.

[JoeKidd]

There is no potential loss ! Manny cant and never could beat Floyd , there is more chance of Floyd losing to Canelo than Manny , this whole thing is about Arum and Floyd not wanting to give him a penny , Team Pac had their chance when the fight was huge and they were offered 50/50 , they will never get that offer again , they knew Manny will lose that fight it was more business sense to milk 4-5 fights out of him than lose that huge Mayweather fight and stop Mannys momentum ,. now they don't care because Manny is trying to cash out , now the testing which they used to get out of the fight is being used by Manny , the whole road is BS .

This fight stalled more because of behind the scenes power play politics and personal grievances than boxing .

Good spin.

[chessmatch]

Then maybe you should maybe watch a fight of his?

Matthysse's face is broad as hell so I don't know what you're arguing. Stop trying to convince people otherwise because you have a long thin face.

[big_james10]

Gosh how little you know what you're talking about. And not only you. I have answered this several times before but you guys either miss it or push it into un-recovered memory banks because it interferes with your luscious drooling anti- Pacquiao attacks.

The deal was a straight $40 mill with NO PPV. Breaking this down-as everybody should but nobody does- there are deductions.....

First there is promoter's cut of 27%. then trainers cut of 10%, the team including cutman another 3-5%, including camp expenses and hotel accomodations. We also must not forget the MINOR detail of the IRS and local taxes which come to about 42%. If they are all taken from the GROSS $40 mill this would leave MannyP with about $7 mill. If the deductions are taken from the accruing nett as they emerge, it might amount to a bit more, say $9-10 mill.

It's a well known FACT which cannot be weaseled around by any Mayflower lovers, that Pacquiao always walks away from his fights with from $25-30 mill.

So....are you ****** or what?? And don't you know that in the same phone conversation (Mayflower didn't send this in a signed contract, in case you don't know, but just a bit of crap over the telephone) MannyP offered Mayflower the very same terms but offered him $50 mill. May-ding-a-ling hung up.

The conversation took place when Mayflower phoned Koncz and talked about the offer, and Konkie handed the phone to Pacquiao who happened to be there.

The whole bloody thing was printed in Boxingscene; don't you low-levels read the news reports at ALL??

This is the dumbest post I have seen in weeks on this site. How is it a well known fact that Pacquaio always walks away from his fights with from $25-30 mill. The only thing that is a known fact is what is listed in the contract that Bob Arum submits to the state athletic commission. In those contracts, Pacquaio's guarantee is always listed as between $5 and $8 million. Arum always claims that Pac will make over $20 million, but that is nothing more than a claim by Arum. There are no facts to back it up.

The rest of Pac's money comes from PPV sales. To earn $25 to $30 million, the fight would have to sell 1 million PPVs at $50 each. The cable company will take half of that and Arum would have to give all the remaining PPV revenue to Pac. Arum is too damn greedy to do that. I don't believe Pac makes more than $12 to $16 million per fight because his PPV's haven't been selling that well and he only gets a percentage of the PPV, not the entire pot. Arum always lies about the PPV numbers. I don't believe Pac has sold 1 million PPVs since the Margarito fight, which incidentally was the last time Arum allowed a network to release Pac's PPV numbers. I don't believe that his fights against Bradley, Mosley or his last fight against Marquez sold very well. Most of what I have just said is my opinion, but you have no facts that can dispute them.

Now, I will state some facts for you:

Fact 1: There is no law that says that a promoter has to take 27 percent of a fighters purse on top of what he already gets from PPV sales, ticket sales and sponsorships. Pac chose to sign that restrictive contract with Arum.

Fact 2: Fighters don't pay for their own hotel expenses and training expenses. Those things are paid by the promoter. If he brings an entourage of unnecessary people with him, then the fighter will be responsible for those expenses.

Fact 3: Pacquaio could have fired Roach at any point in time and hired another quality trainer for less money or renegotiated their contract. Pac chooses to continue to pay him 10 percent of his purse. De La Hoya only paid Roach $500,000 to train him for the Mayweather fight and Oscar had a $25 million guarantee for that fight.

Fact 4: Nowhere on this planet or any other planet does a $6 million guarantee net a fighter more than a $40 million guarantee. Even if he received no cut of the PPV, the $40 million that Mayweather offered Pacquaio would have been twice as much as Pac has ever made in a fight, gross or net. That is just my opinion, but again, you have no facts (not Bob Arum lies) that can dispute this opinion.