Andre Ward and Guillermo Rigondeaux boxing artists.

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  • waxfondler
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    #41
    Originally posted by mconstantine
    I stand corrected. I hadn't seen that before. It was a good shot tho. I'd still say Ward more durable than Rigo. Rigo has been hurt with much less but it definitely brings Ward down a notch a bit in my eyes in regards to this comparison.

    I still want to see Ward in with an elite fighter. With only 12 fights, Rigo fought Donaire, a greater opponent than anyone Ward has faced IMO.

    kessler, froch, dawson, abraham is a solid resume. i wouldnt say "elite", but they are definitely VERY close to be considered as such.

    IMO, all the work ward did in the super 6 > anything rigo has done at this point.

    although, i agree rigo beating donaire is greater than any single ward victory.

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    • Mike Haynes
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      #42
      Originally posted by MANIAC310
      Yea except, Rigo is better than Ward, has real power and doesn't headbutt and clinch every 5 seconds while draining fighters and trying to force others to come up and fight him in his back yard.

      Rigo >>>> Ward in almost everyway possible

      Ward shouldn't be in the same sentence as Rigo and I don't even like Rigo
      I was gonna say something but now I don't need to.

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      • KickAzz
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        #43
        Originally posted by NEETzsche
        btw i have to say that i feel mayweather is still a full level above both ridondeaux and ward. at least based on the evidence available
        floyd just has more publicity and more opponents for fantasy fights.

        Originally posted by Syf
        wow, so Rigo is better than Ward now?
        yep, rigondo don't hit-n-hold and headbutt like Ward does. And Rigondo fights all over the world, not just in his backyard

        Originally posted by Doctor_Tenma
        I remember when Floyd got classified as runner solely because of his performance against Baldomir, this went on for years. It's funny how the same has happened to Ward, except instead of running it's "boring", I can't remember the last time Ward has been in a boring fight. The man walks his opponents down, works them close and sits on his punches, how is that boring? People need to admit they don't like success, all there is to it.
        well... Floyd/Baldomir was boring... Cherrypicker even admitted it and apologized to the fans.

        Ward also is boring. He uses his athleticism to potshot you, then he immediately holds you and then hits you while in the clinch. Against guys like Dirrel who are runners, I wouldn't mind that tactic cause they are runners, but to fight that style with everyone is Ruizesqse. I mean if you think was Ward does is the epitome of boxing, then you should consider John Ruiz, who perfected that style, a boxing god.

        How come when a light-skinned PRican does it, its hated on... but when a light-skinned AA does it, its an exciting style? People need to admit they are biased. If Ward hit-n-holds and it's beautiful boxing, then when John Ruiz does it, it should also be beautiful boxing.

        Originally posted by RichCCFC
        Mayweather, Rigo and Ward the 3 best boxers in the world clearly!
        Sure... Ward cleaned out 168... he deserve props for that... but his style is boring

        Sure Rigondo outclassed Donaire, but in an impressive and boring way

        Sure Cherrypicker is undefeated... but people pay to see him lose, they don't pay to see him win cause the way he wins is boring... especially now that he's potshotting again

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        • mconstantine
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          #44
          Originally posted by waxfondler
          kessler, froch, dawson, abraham is a solid resume. i wouldnt say "elite", but they are definitely VERY close to be considered as such.

          IMO, all the work ward did in the super 6 > anything rigo has done at this point.

          although, i agree rigo beating donaire is greater than any single ward victory.
          I hear you on the collective argument, but I would say all of those guys Ward has fought are a step in class below Donaire. And in boxing, guys can dominate many opponents within a certain class, then step up to the next level and look completely different. Even Dawson, who was weight drained and I think is very mentally weak is NOT an elite fighter.

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          • sicko
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            #45
            But Today's Boxing Fans Are Very Fickle Minded and ******!

            They don't fully understand boxing, they think two guys going out and just swinging away until someone goes down is "BOXING". So those ****** fans will never appreciate the Boxing Skills of Rigondeaux, Ward or Mayweather so they are the first to call those fighters "BORING" especially if those fighters DESTROY a fighter they like they are really going to hold a grudge much like Donaire fan base holds a grudge against Rigondeaux as well as Froch and Kessler fans are still bitter over the fact that Ward dominated their favorite fighter.

            To show you he ****** casual fans are, it was just a poll on ESPN about wanting to see GGG fight against "YES OR NO" way more people voted NO then YES which again shows you how ****** Casual Boxing Fans Are. They are the ultimate Bandwagon Jumpers, they like who HBO TELLS THEM TO LIKE!
            Last edited by sicko; 07-12-2013, 10:26 AM.

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              #46
              Originally posted by jcsuper
              totally agree. Few people understand all the subtle things that ward, rigo and floyd do in a ring. People who have boxed in their life usually understand how hard it it to do what they do.

              However it takes all kinds to make a world, fighters like ggg, stevenson and matthysse are also important and bring other things to the table.

              Problem on this site is that it's full of fanboys who chose one type of fighter and b1tch about the other types because theyre insecure child...
              chuch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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              • KickAzz
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                #47
                Originally posted by sicko
                But Today's Boxing Fans Are Very Fickle Minded and ******!

                They don't fully understand boxing, they think two guys going out and just swinging away until someone goes down is "BOXING". So those ****** fans will never appreciate the Boxing Skills of Rigondeaux, Ward or Mayweather so they are the first to call those fighters "BORING" especially if those fighters DESTROY a fighter they like they are really going to hold a grudge much like Donaire fan base holds a grudge against Rigondeaux as well as Froch and Kessler fans are still bitter over the fact that Ward dominated their favorite fighter.
                great point.... however potshotting isn't boxing either.... and hit-n-hold isn't boxing either

                To show you he ****** casual fans are, it was just a poll on ESPN about wanting to see GGG fight against "YES OR NO" way more people voted NO then YES which again shows you how ****** Casual Boxing Fans Are. They are the ultimate Bandwagon Jumpers, they like who HBO TELLS THEM TO LIKE!
                that's why they are casual fans... they don't know who GGG is and never seen him fight

                Originally posted by Jcsuper
                Totally agree. Few people understand all the subtle things that Ward, Rigo and Floyd do in a ring. People who have boxed in their life usually understand how hard it it to do what they do.
                it aint easy being as good as Ward, Rigondo, and Cherrypicker... but if you're that good, you should be able to turn your defense into your offense and be entertaining.

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                • JoeKidd
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                  #48
                  Some people like slow-paced dramas, some people like action flicks, some people like suspense and some people like dirty movies.

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                    #49
                    Cuban boxers are not as poor in Cuba as they would like you to believe. Examples of Yuriorkis and Guillermo who are both from Santiago. From what I heard they were given $300 a month while the average citizen there makes $25. They were also given access and accommodation. $300 a month for a Cuban in Santiago is not a small amount at all. They are not rick but they aren't starving at all.

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                    • pesticid
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                      #50
                      Originally posted by mconstantine
                      Rigo and Ward are different, but both (along with Mayweather of course) are masters of hitting and not getting hit. They just do it in different ways.

                      Rigo - Uses ****** ridiculous foot and hand speed to get in and out on opponents. Fights on the outside exceptionally well. Has strong, KO power.

                      Ward - Modest speed and power, but a master at controlling distance. He's usually either too far or too close. He hits you then smothers you or steps out of range.

                      Mayweather - Can pretty much do allovdatshiet above

                      You can say Ward is better than Rigo because he CAN fight on the inside. But Rigo is so damn quick that he can whoop a$$ without HAVING to fight inside thus far in his career. BTW, people using Ward and "brutalizing" in the same sentence should be smacked. Rigo the "runner" as you guys claim him to be still has a higher KO % than Ward.

                      If there is a legit case to say Ward is better than Rigo, is because we've never seen Ward hurt.
                      Ward hasn't met a fighter yet that is faster than him just like Rigo hasn't.

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