Andre Ward and Guillermo Rigondeaux boxing artists.

[Syf]

Rigo to me is talented, but comparing him to fighters such as Ward or Mayweather is off. Those two are more well rounded than a Rigondeaux is. People say May has low output but he is made to look like Leo Santa Cruz by Rigo's activity level. My major beef with Rigondeaux is that, too much fancy footwork, not enough output. He could be conceivably swarmed by an iron chinned volume fighter with that flaw..

Hell Mares may even be able to catch up with him, because he cuts the ring off well and can have a highish type of output. But Ward and Mayweather are a different class altogether. I still have MW ahead of Ward as well, simply by strength of aesthetics. They both do their thing, but Floyd's style is more fun to watch by a large margin.

[NEETzsche]

i am a big donaire fan and i thought he'd knock rigondeaux out but i was just awed by rigo's performance. i was literally sitting there grinning like an idiot because he was just so good. ward is great too but perhaps in a subtler way

[gmc_rfc_06]

No he isn't, Ward can sit in the pocket and neutralize his opponents' best weapon by simply smothering them; tying them up, Ward is the more versatile of the two. Rigondeaux has the quicker hands, better puncher P4P and a tad bit more precise in his counter punching, I really don't want to go through the whole list as both are exceptionally skilled but Rigondeaux ain't better than Ward.

Yes, he is.

Rigo doesn't have to smother, he can neutralize anything an opponent does through skill alone. Ward is better inside, but that's it. Rigo is FAR superior on the outside, has better timing, is the faster and better puncher, has possibly the best defence in the sport, his countering also might be the best in the sport.

Both great fighters, Rigondeaux is the better one.

[Syf]

wow, so Rigo is better than Ward now?

[gmc_rfc_06]

wow, so Rigo is better than Ward now?

Now?

He always was.

[NEETzsche]

Yes, he is.

Rigo doesn't have to smother, he can neutralize anything an opponent does through skill alone. Ward is better inside, but that's it. Rigo is FAR superior on the outside, has better timing, is the faster and better puncher, has possibly the best defence in the sport, his countering also might be the best in the sport.

Both great fighters, Rigondeaux is the better one.

rigondeaux was lucky enough to be blessed with superior speed. ward wasn't, so he has to compensate with his brain. he's very similar to bernard hopkins, in my opinion; ordinary athlete but an absolute mastermind in the ring

[Doctor_Tenma]

Yes, he is.

Rigo doesn't have to smother, he can neutralize anything an opponent does through skill alone. Ward is better inside, but that's it. Rigo is FAR superior on the outside, has better timing, is the faster and better puncher, has possibly the best defence in the sport, his countering also might be the best in the sport.

Both great fighters, Rigondeaux is the better one.

I hope you understand the meaning of 'putting it all together, right? That's exactly what Andre Ward has done continuously. I brought up the fact that he can neutralize your offense while sitting in the pocket simply because that isn't necessarily the case with Rigondeaux. Ward is more of a ring general simply because he can beat you at your own game.


The bold, insanely ****** comment considering the only high caliber opponent he beat was Donaire. Ward's defense has been tested against the best SMWs, and he hardly ever gets touched. His defense may not be highlight material but it's exceptional nonetheless.

"his countering also might be the best in the sport"

Yeah, another ****** comment, Mayweather is the far better counter puncher, as is Juan Manuel Marquez, again...tested against consistently better competition.

[gmc_rfc_06]

rigondeaux was lucky enough to be blessed with superior speed. ward wasn't, so he has to compensate with his brain. he's very similar to bernard hopkins, in my opinion; ordinary athlete but an absolute mastermind in the ring

He's very smart, he works things out on the spot and adapts.

Saying that, the guy he's being compared to here is also that. Be it the best amateur of all time or a dominant and unified world champ in 12 fights as a pro...smart, brilliant and limitless skill.

[Doctor_Tenma]

rigondeaux was lucky enough to be blessed with superior speed. ward wasn't, so he has to compensate with his brain. he's very similar to bernard hopkins, in my opinion; ordinary athlete but an absolute mastermind in the ring

Opposition needs to be looked at, that's a deciding factor in how comfortable one is in the ring. You put Ward in there against Rigondeaux's level of competition minus Donaire, one can only expect him to look like a monster. Not a knock on Rigondeaux, he is looking to face the best but as we can see the sport is full of shit right now.

[Syf]

Now?

He always was.

We haven't seen it. This is all theoretical and I think Rigo fans are getting carried away. Pretty soon you will be trying to claim he is number one, if you haven't already.

He beat Nonito with his feet and the left. He lucked out there because Nonito is a counterpuncher by nature, he is not good at cutting off the ring. So a fleet footed foe with handspeed will always be Nonito's kryptonite. Due to his shallow professional record we haven't yet seen how Rigo would fair against a top level swarmer with an iron chin, that can cut off the ring.

Not so with Ward. His level of opposition is so much deeper and he is so much more tested at a professional level. He's fought all types. To say Rigo is better at this point is absurd.

And don't bother with the am stuff... Amateur is a different style from Pro. We are talking about which is the better PRO fighter and that is clearly Ward at this point. You may be able to make a case that Rigo was the superior Amateur fighter, I'm not sure. Two gold vs ward's one. But Pro? Nah...