Comments Thread For: Martinez, not Golovkin, is the middleweight for Mayweather

[budfr]

so Floyd should never get credit! Not even v Canelo, who is the fighter EVERYONE wanted but Floyd shouldn't get credit?

Well if Floyd would have fought Canelo at 154, we would admire that. Also, if Floyd doesn´t hug and play tag for most of the fight, we could admire that. After all, doesn´t Floyd believe, and say, that he is the best among the best? The creme of the cream? He is simply a good athlete with great reflexes, not a true boxer, he is an overhyped product of American marketing, the brainwashing behemoth that can make you drink a dangerous beverage like coke, and the one that makes you believe Santa Claus exists, the one that makes you believe that an ugly mouse ( Mickey) can have a dog as a pet( Pluto ), the one that makes you watch a sponge, yes, an inanimated object, who lives under the sea. tHAT ONE THAT BRAINWASHES THE WORLD TO BELIEVE FLOYS IS GREST.Get it??

[SaldanaCC]

Sergio had one of the best knockouts ever against williams......thats it his resame isnt even close to mayweathers an ggg dont even have a resame yet its full of bums at least sergio has some names on his but sergio is done an mayweather would beat him easy then the haters would say sergio was washed up thats why floyd won i think ggg would be a more challenging fight for floyd but floyd beats him too not as easy as hed beat sergio though ggg would cause problems but gets outboxed!!!
Somethin yall haters should do is pull all three of there careers an matchem up side by side an tell me whos is better an after september 14th itll get even better then yall cant say he beat canelo wayyyyyy past his prime!!!!!F**KIN dumba**es comparin sergio an ggg to floyd!!!!!

[daddymon]

This is a great fact-based article. What that means is that it will draw 500 posts from emotionally-******ed haters complaining about the writer as well as everything he said in the article without any solid facts to back up their hate-filled rants.

The writer is right about Golovkin. He has not beaten anyone of note and should not be regarded among the elite fighters in the middleweight division, let alone a worthy challenger to Floyd Mayweather.

He is also right about what he said about Floyd. The haters on this site pretend that Floyd started his career at 147 and has cherry-picked all of his opponents. The truth is Floyd started at 130 and, like most great fighters, worked his butt off to get to the top. When he was trying to make a name for himself, Floyd called out every decent fighter at every weight class from 130 to 147 and beat all those who took his challenge. He did beat legitimate champions at 130, 135, 140, 147 and 154 and earned his place at the top. Along the way, several top fighters, including Mosley at 135 and 147 and Hatton, Cotto and Kostya Tyszu at 140 turned down his challenges because, at the time, there was no big payoff in fighting Mayweather.

I am sure there will be plenty of idiots on this site who criticize the list of people that the writer indicated Floyd has beaten. However, the TRUTH is that Golovkin has not fought, let alone beaten anyone who was anywhere near the quality of the fighters on Floyd's list. In fact, neither has Alvarez. Alvarez has one win against a quality opponent in 43 fights -- Austin Trout. Trout, on the other hand, has one quality win (Cotto) in his 27 fights prior to meeting Alvarez. That means that Golovkin and Alvarez has been given the title of great fighters and did not earn the titles.

If anyone doubts this, I challenge any of the haters on this board to name one fighter that either Golovkin or Alvarez has beaten who can come compare in any way to the list of fighters that this writer mentioned in this article.

You can hate all you want, but the facts speak for themselves. The petty, childish rants, the Red Ks and the idiotic gayweather and ***** comments that will result from this post or any post that agrees with this article won't change the facts.
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Well put, I am a boxing fan for alone time and thats what I like to talk about on this site. But for these people come here with that garbage need to get a life. Because when it is say and done, you are not going to keep Floyd out of the HALL OF FAME, or stop his BANK ROLL. so get over it. And for you BIG DOG, keep hitting with facts, that is what they do not like. You can dislike fighter without disrespecting people.

[daddymon]

Sergio had one of the best knockouts ever against williams......thats it his resame isnt even close to mayweathers an ggg dont even have a resame yet its full of bums at least sergio has some names on his but sergio is done an mayweather would beat him easy then the haters would say sergio was washed up thats why floyd won i think ggg would be a more challenging fight for floyd but floyd beats him too not as easy as hed beat sergio though ggg would cause problems but gets outboxed!!!
Somethin yall haters should do is pull all three of there careers an matchem up side by side an tell me whos is better an after september 14th itll get even better then yall cant say he beat canelo wayyyyyy past his prime!!!!!F**KIN dumba**es comparin sergio an ggg to floyd!!!!!

Did Floyd say he wanted to fight Sergio or did he say he would come and fight Floyd?

[rasdun]

Gatti a legit champ when Tszyu was there as lineal champ....ok

[Kagami Taiga]

Here's an easy one: Canelo beat Trout, undefeated SWW champ, beat Cotto. Compare Victor Ortiz who is 1-1-3 careerwise vs top 10 comp. I think Soto Karass might beat that.

And here's the kicker, cause I know YOU personally were very upset over catchweights: Ortiz has never beaten a top 10 guy in 2 divisions without a CW. His "FOTY" vs Berto was a CW. Did you know this? How pathetic is this record, tell me.

And what about golovkin???

[Fetta]

Well if Floyd would have fought Canelo at 154, we would admire that. Also, if Floyd doesn´t hug and play tag for most of the fight, we could admire that. After all, doesn´t Floyd believe, and say, that he is the best among the best? The creme of the cream? He is simply a good athlete with great reflexes, not a true boxer, he is an overhyped product of American marketing, the brainwashing behemoth that can make you drink a dangerous beverage like coke, and the one that makes you believe Santa Claus exists, the one that makes you believe that an ugly mouse ( Mickey) can have a dog as a pet( Pluto ), the one that makes you watch a sponge, yes, an inanimated object, who lives under the sea. tHAT ONE THAT BRAINWASHES THE WORLD TO BELIEVE FLOYS IS GREST.Get it??

Oh Sept 14th it all ends but I understand that Floyd is the best of this era and that response was to the posters dissection of Floyd's opponents including Canelo but because of skill level not weight.

But I guess you believe Floyd also doesn't deserve credit and if he wins then it'll be because of weight or lack of skill

[HeroBando]

And what about golovkin???

He doesn't have a whole lot on his resume, but at least he's not 1-1-3 vs top tenners. He's like 2-0, it's better.

[hillbilly]

And what about golovkin???

This entire article is a joke. The best fighter of this generation isn't floyd mayweather. Without a doubt, roy jones jr and sweet pea were better, at a minimum. That aside, to suggest that, in assessing who floyd should fight (presumably at 154), it would be more meaningful for floyd to fight sergio martinez than golovkin at this time is nonsense. If sergio were not faded, this would be right. But sergio is faded and he is nowhere near the best middleweight at this juncture. Most experts think he'd get ko'd by golovkin.

You can't look at a name in a vacuum. Three examples: shane mosley, ricky hatton and juan manuel marquez. They look great on floyd's resume but looks are deceiving. Shane was shot and still damn near put floyd down. Hatton had one fight at welter and got a gift decision against collazo in which he had to hold on for dear life just to survive. He swore he'd never fight at welter again because it was a bridge too far. Floyd immediately offered t fight him at welter and hatton, of course, accepted. And marquez came up two weight classes to fight floyd and had--allegedly--not met memo heredia yet.

It would appear that fitzsimmons is trying to add another name to floyd's resume even though the fighter is faded and isn't the best competition. It is sad.

Could you imagine if muhammed ali had picked his competition like this? He fought the best without excuses. the same cannot be said of floyd. if you claim to be the best, you must be compared to the best, and floyd's fight selection pales in comparison to guy's like ali or leonard or duran or robinson, etc.

It reminds me of the fight between larry holmes and ali where holmes was imploring the ref to stop the fight. If you look at holmes' record on boxrec, nowhere does it say that ali was a dead man walking who had already started to slur. There is no asterisk by the win. It is part of holmes' resume and often cited as part of why he was great. Yet, it was meaningless. Could a prime holmes have beaten a prime ali? Maybe, but his victory over a shot ali provides no information one way or the other about that outcome. Similarly, floyd's victory over a shot mosley provides no insight as to whether a prime floyd and prime shane at 135 would have produced a different result.

When i see a fighter try to collect cheap wins over great but faded fighters, it is off putting. Think calzaghe and bernard and roy. But at least i know the reason fighters are doing it is probably money. When i see a bxing writer defending the practice, i am disgusted. There is no defense for it other than hagiography.

[HeroBando]

You can't look at a name in a vacuum. Three examples: shane mosley, ricky hatton and juan manuel marquez. They look great on floyd's resume but looks are deceiving. Shane was shot and still damn near put floyd down. Hatton had one fight at welter and got a gift decision against collazo in which he had to hold on for dear life just to survive. He swore he'd never fight at welter again because it was a bridge too far. Floyd immediately offered t fight him at welter and hatton, of course, accepted. And marquez came up two weight classes to fight floyd and had--allegedly--not met memo heredia yet.

Excellent post, just one quibble. I think credit is deserved for Mosley. Yes he was old and inactive, but it wasn't a given he was shot until the fight. So there was some risk upfront, reflected in the relatively close odds for a Floyd fight (4-1?). Might be his riskiest fight in many years, till Canelo possibly. It's a milder version of Pac DLH, where the risk upfront was much greater, but the opponent in an even worse shape.