Al Bernstein: "Lennox Lewis Is The Greatest Heavyweight Of All Time"

[La_Vibora]

It was because Don King died and Bill Cayton fired Custom Auto that Tyson collapsed. On the night he knocked out Leon Spinks he would have beaten any heavyweight in history, including Cassius Marciano.

By the time he fought Buster Douglas, he was already well past his prime. Also, his trainers didn't wear a condom filled with water, and the referee had been out the night before with ten slow Japanese **********s.

I see you're from Indiana, is English your first language?

[Mr Ehrmantraut]

All the old heavies are overrated. Prime Ali was almost starched by Henry Cooper.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Have you seen the fights? The rounds Holyfield lost were due to inactivity but he still managed a few good shots at Lewis.

I haven't seen the fights in a while but I remember giving Holyfield about 5 rounds in the second match up. That's pretty close considering the 7 rounds Lennox may have won, a fair few of those were swing rounds. Anyway, if a fighters stab at being the best heavy ever relies all on whether or not he convincingly beat an old, shot Holyfield than that's a sad position to be in.

I say Spinks victory over a faded, Parkinson'd Ali was more impressive, or Foreman beating Moorer, or Marciano KO'ing a faded Louis, or Holmes squeaking past Norton in their classic encounter.

Lewis' win over Holyfield ranks pretty far down the line. I believe Lewis' win over a game Razor or Tua were far more impressive.

Oh the old "have you seen the fights" routine?

No....never!!

Lewis won 9 or 10 rounds in the first fight. The second fight was closer and Holyfield did better so seemingly that has now been revised to "Holyfield won!"

[IronDanHamza]

Apparently winning both fights with Evander = a defeat...

It's funny you're willing to ad knowledge he first fight was a robbery whilst refusing to adkowledge the second fight could have gone either way.

Lewis clearly won the first fight and the second fight despite being close, more thought Lewis won.

But the fact still remains that the second fight against a well passed prime Holyfield was a clear indicator that he is very beatable. Which is the whole point of discussion.

That's without other performances where he also displayed this. Including Boeing knocked out twice by fringe contenders.

[IronDanHamza]

Lennox gets the same treatment from US fans as the Klitschkos'.

'Prime' Tyson beats them (); 'Prime' Bowe beats them; 'Prime' Holmes beats them (et al).

Yes and "prime" Lewis (the one that miraculously is only eligible for this when he wins) is unbeatable.

[IronDanHamza]

I have to say, this is the first time I've ever heard anyone say that Holyfield had a case for winning the rematch.

You have a short memory.

I'm sure the press row scores will be somewhere.

I admit that more had Lewis winning than they did Holyfield. But, plenty had Holyfield edging it.

[RubenSonny]

Oh the old "have you seen the fights" routine?

No....never!!

Lewis won 9 or 10 rounds in the first fight. The second fight was closer and Holyfield did better so seemingly that has now been revised to "Holyfield won!"

That's just a lie, at the time many people thought Holyfield deserved the decision. I guess you weren't following boxing around then.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

That's just a lie, at the time many people thought Holyfield deserved the decision. I guess you weren't following boxing around then.

Oh the ever so original "you weren't following boxing" line. Almost as textbook as "you only had Lewis winning because you're British"

[Dirk Diggler UK]

You have a short memory.

I'm sure the press row scores will be somewhere.

I admit that more had Lewis winning than they did Holyfield. But, plenty had Holyfield edging it.

Nah I seriously have never heard anyone say they thought Holyfield won. Must've went over my head. I'd like to see the press row scores if you could get it.

I respect your opinion so I'll take it at face value when you say you think Holyfield won. Would be interested to see your card also if you have one. Might re-watch at some point to see if I can see how you scored it that way.

[IronDanHamza]

Nah I seriously have never heard anyone say they thought Holyfield won. Must've went over my head. I'd like to see the press row scores if you could get it.

I respect your opinion so I'll take it at face value when you say you think Holyfield won. Would be interested to see your card also if you have one. Might re-watch at some point to see if I can see how you scored it that way.

Did you watch it live? Not saying it In a condescending way, just curious.

The feeling after the fight was Lewis won a close fight, a large portion of scores were 115-113.

People were expecting a one sided fight like the first one and were shocked at the competitiveness of the second one.

I don't have a card, sorry. It's hard to watch the fight in all honesty, very dull.

I doubt I've even scored it again since the time I watched it live all those years ago. That said, I didn't need to watch it again to know it was a close fight. Like I said I did edge the fight for Holyfield when watching live.