Al Bernstein: "Lennox Lewis Is The Greatest Heavyweight Of All Time"

[edgarg]

Pretty sure Foreman said he 'wouldn't want to be the ring with Lennox'.

Foreman said that about nearly everybody. I've heard him at it about a dozen times. He always makes sure that you understand that he was scared stiff for every fight. He said the very same thing about Frazier, as if he was only taking a wild chance of protecting himself. That's Foreman's schtik.

Don't forget he hears "voices", and he's as superstitious as blazes. In Zaire he hired a witchdoctor to "de-spell" underneath the ring because he'd heard that Ali had got someone to cast spells on him, And he was "saved" by a voice telling him to go out and preach. And that he started a church in which he preaches all the time. It's his way of showing "modesty" according to "Christian" standards. You don't need to listen to him for long to know that he praises everybody, especially when matched against himself. He regards himself as being "the lowest of the low'.... So his "endorsement" of Lewis means really nothing.

[edgarg]

flowmos would say...

rocky marciano is undefeated doe.

he da best.

Marciano is probably the worst of all the Heavyweight champions including Marvin Hart.

Anyone who includes Marciano in anything but a top 30-40 heavyweight list just doesn't know boxing.

[edgarg]

As would a prime Mike Tyson or Larry Holmes for that matter.

Lennox Lewis is defiinitely the most underrated heavyweight champion of all time, as he never truly got the recognition he deserved as one of the few champions who was willing and eager to face the best the sport had to offer during his time, and as a guy who beat them all. In fact, it's really too bad that Rid**** Bowe was too scared to face him, as that would have been a huge name to add to Lewis's resume.

That said, he had a suspect chin, suffering two devastating knockouts, and getting a very fortunate stoppage over Klitschko, who was ahead on the cards and had him in a lot of trouble early in the fight.

When Tyson was in his prime, it was nearly impossible to hold him off, as his frequent head movement and constant bobbing and weaving all but eliminated any advantage taller fighters had against him. Later in his career, Tyson used far less movement and depended more on power and intimidation. That's the Tyson that Lewis fought. I believe a prime Tyson gets to and stops Lewis.

I also feel that Holmes, who's arguably the greatest tactician the ring has ever seen, would be able to take a decision against Lewis.

There are some other intriguing match-ups as well, such as Prime Foremen vs. Lewis and Wlad Klitschko vs. Lewis, a fight many wanted to see toward the end of Lewis' career.

Bowe wasn't scared to fight Lewis, why don't you do some research into it before you open your moth and spout opinions. I was areound then, and it was well enough publicised. I think it was through a dispute between his manager and promoter, something like that, absolutely nothing to do with Bowe.

[edgarg]

Foreman also said that about Joe Frazier. Remind me how that one worked out again?

Poet

Well your Majesty, he actually said that he was scared stiff. I've heard him say it many times, and I disbelieve him equally as many.

[edgarg]

He killed Frazier because he had 4 inches, who knows what kind of reach, and 20 pounds on him.

In his prime.

Go back to watching Moorer highlights.

The "point" is, Lewis would have beat Big George to a mess.

And he knew it.

"The weight and height is irrelevant."

Riiiiiiiighhhht...

No he didn't, he beat him up because Frazier's style was made for a fighter like him, hooking with both hands right into Frazier's crouching body. Frazier couldn't change because that was the way he always fought and knew no other.

[JAB5239]

Marciano is probably the worst of all the Heavyweight champions including Marvin Hart.

Anyone who includes Marciano in anything but a top 30-40 heavyweight list just doesn't know boxing.

Lol, I guess a group of historians who study the sport know less than you, huh?

http://www.ibroresearch.com/?p=52

[JAB5239]

Bowe wasn't scared to fight Lewis, why don't you do some research into it before you open your moth and spout opinions. I was areound then, and it was well enough publicised. I think it was through a dispute between his manager and promoter, something like that, absolutely nothing to do with Bowe.

Bowe trashed the belt and reneged on following through with the mini tournament he gave his word on. He than tried lowballing Lewis with a 90/10 offer. I was around then too.

[edgarg]

Great.

We have edgarggles my balls, poet the dog beater, and IronHamsammich.

The great "boxing historians".

"Hey bro. I've seen Jorge Paez fight Sandy Saddler in a smoke filled town hall back in 1867."

"Bull****, mate. Paez never fought at 147."

Or did he....

It's "nice" to get a compliment from "Sweet Pee", and I thank him. In the spirit of friendship I'd recommend that he get it tested , as he could have diabetes. The "sweet" is usually a sign of some urinary disease. he certainly has a diseased mouth.

[richardt]

A young George Foreman crushes Lewis, Ali boxes circles around him, and Frazier takes Lewis's head off. The guys that knocked Lewis out can only dream of having Frazier's power.

[edgarg]

Lol, I guess a group of historians who study the sport know less than you, huh?

http://www.ibroresearch.com/?p=52

Even you could do it. Historians have a habit of saying nice things about people, and I'd pay more attention to those who were around when Marciano was, rather than latecomers who are only reading what other latecomers have written.

Let me challenge you. Look up Marciano's opponents. Note their weights, ages, experience, Physical builds, (on one case, Carmine Vingo, supposed to be one of Marciano's best wins, the kid was 19-20, about 6'4" physically immature, Marciano a solid 27 adult, and a few fights against real set-ups) numbers of fights and how frequently.... Then....Look at the records of Marciano's opponents and note the same things about them. Look at the records of the old, worn out fighters who were almost, if not completely washed up, like Lee Savold, with nearly 150 fights and dragged out of retirement for this last one.....

Don't forget to take into consideration that Marciano's manager, trainer, promoter etc were all "connected" with the Mob, and Marciano himself was a "favourite son"....

Just as a side note, the plane in which Marciano crashed to his death was owned by the Mob Boss of the Des Moines Louis Fratto, and either the pilot or the other passenger was Fratto's son, a long-time close friend of Marciano. In other words, although supposedly "squeaky-clean" he was up to his eyeballs in mafiosos all his life)

What you'll find is that it was a clear a case of thimble-rigging as you could find. It's no accident that his best, later fights were against a few former greats, who had deteriorated enough down to Marciano's level, to make them "good" fights. Roland LaStarza aged 22 actually beat him, but with a little imaginative arithmetic between the judges and ref Marciano emerged the winner.

Look it up, do a bit of research, then think about it.......