Comments Thread For: Lara Decked Twice, Stops Angulo in a Shocking Ending

[IronDanHamza]

The part where you list out his poor attributes from last night as if they ever existed before his "peak." Everyone on NSB knows that Angulo is looking to KO his opponent. He bring tremendous power to the table. Please, show me a fighter that Lara's fought in the past where even when he's covered up and got hit, they physically moved his whole body with the force of their punches. Lara was able to stand in and brawl with a brawler. It's a shame how before Kirkland, Angulo was some beast, all of a sudden after a fight and layoff, dude is shot to pieces.

Erm, how so?

It was in response to "Angulo from last night not looking horrible" and me pointing out where he did look horrible.

No where did I imply or ellude to Angulo ever having ability in any of those era's where he abundantly lacks it. He's never had it and never will.

Angulo's never been considered a beast. Not to me.

I think the "beast" label left in my eyes when he got throughly outboxed by a declining Kermit Cintron.

Even more so when he got stopped by Kirkland.

Then dead and buried when he was getting rocked and struggling badly with a feather fisted nobody in his last fight.

[batista84]

Props for both fighters for giving a hell of a match, both fanboys here, angulo's and lara's have a lot of ****** bias comments.
The truth: Lara dominated Angulo and was punching him at will, but Angulo put Lara twice on the canvas with 2 vicious shot and he was hurt.........yeah you could see that, he was hurt................
I think Lara would've won the fight had it went to the 12 rounds, but I also think there's was a slightly chance one good Angulo punch could've send again Lara to the canvas, from that point of view here's my conclusion.

1.- Lara is an excellent boxer with good power but he ain't elite at his style like Rigondeaux or Floyd Mayweather.
2.- Angulo has no skills but the dude is tough as a bull, keeps comin and comin and hits hard, Kirkland, Lara and other guys will tell you that Angulo carries heavy power hands.
3.-Both guys are top 154 challengers and are no joke for anyone taking on them, You don't agree with that, you have crap on your brain.
4.- Lara has heart, guy got knocked down twice and he came back stronger.
5.- Angulo has heart, guy was gettin vicious starights from Lara, nevertheless he still kept pressure and never got hearted out.
6.- Gettin your orbital bone broken and calling the fight to an end, is not quiting, ****** people will say Angulo quit, I dare you get your orbital bone broken and I dare you to keep fighting, "A great warrior isn't the one who dies on battle for proud, but the one who survives to keep fighting another day for his family, propos to Angulo for ending the fight, health is a serious thing and it comes first above all.


My personal thoughts, both are hell of a fighters and like to see both of them against Canelo, Trout and Vanes.

You don't agree with me, you head is full of bias ****. because I give my thoughts on a neutral spot, Period.

[deejd]

You say the talent at 154 is great yet critisize every fighter in the division other than Angulo and Lara

Cotto - Faded
Trout - Beat no one but a faded Cotto
Canelo - unproven because of the above

So do tell, what's so good about this division if this is the case for all these fighters?

Lord help me, if Angulo is the second best fighter at 154 then forgive me for saying the talent pool isn't that good.

As for Lara, he wasn't obliging anything. He didn't stand against the ropes shelling up when Angulo's cement feet caught up with him, he had no choice. Hence, why I think he's overrated.

You're also dreaming if you think Angulo stops everyone at 154. I don't think he'd have an easy night with Ishe Smith.

Cotto not a natural '54-pounder. Again, I'm using the face of the division. How about Rosado, Kirkland, even Vanes has me convinced he's better than Canelo and Trout. It's a stacked division. Molina, I'm not big on -- especially after the Kirkland showing -- but he'd give Canelo and Trout work.

To say Lara is overrated because Angulo clipped him twice and slowed him down with body work.....

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

Props for both fighters for giving a hell of a match, both fanboys here, angulo's and lara's have a lot of ****** bias comments.
The truth: Lara dominated Angulo and was punching him at will, but Angulo put Lara twice on the canvas with 2 vicious shot and he was hurt.........yeah you could see that, he was hurt................
I think Lara would've won the fight had it went to the 12 rounds, but I also think there's was a slightly chance one good Angulo punch could've send again Lara to the canvas, from that point of view here's my conclusion.

1.- Lara is an excellent boxer with good power but he ain't elite at his style like Rigondeaux or Floyd Mayweather.
2.- Angulo has no skills but the dude is tough as a bull, keeps comin and comin and hits hard, Kirkland, Lara and other guys will tell you that Angulo carries heavy power hands.
3.-Both guys are top 154 challengers and are no joke for anyone taking on them, You don't agree with that, you have crap on your brain.
4.- Lara has heart, guy got knocked down twice and he came back stronger.
5.- Angulo has heart, guy was gettin vicious starights from Lara, nevertheless he still kept pressure and never got hearted out.
6.- Gettin your orbital bone broken and calling the fight to an end, is not quiting, ****** people will say Angulo quit, I dare you get your orbital bone broken and I dare you to keep fighting, "A great warrior isn't the one who dies on battle for proud, but the one who survives to keep fighting another day for his family, propos to Angulo for ending the fight, health is a serious thing and it comes first above all.


My personal thoughts, both are hell of a fighters and like to see both of them against Canelo, Trout and Vanes.

You don't agree with me, you head is full of bias ****. because I give my thoughts on a neutral spot, Period.

The thing that bugs me the most are the people saying Angulo quit.


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[deejd]

Erm, how so?

It was in response to "Angulo from last night not looking horrible" and me pointing out where he did look horrible.

No where did I imply or ellude to Angulo ever having ability in any of those era's where he abundantly lacks it. He's never had it and never will.

Angulo's never been considered a beast. Not to me.

I think the "beast" label left in my eyes when he got throughly outboxed by a declining Kermit Cintron.

Even more so when he got stopped by Kirkland.

Then dead and buried when he was getting rocked and struggling badly with a feather fisted nobody in his last fight.

Right, you're pointing out things he's never had in the first place. Angulo performed well last night. If you don't think he did because of the reasons you listed, you must have thought he had those things before.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Outside of Mayweather and Rigo (who still hasn't proved he can fight inside, now that I think of it), who isn't limited. Lara had his legs taken away from him twice against Angulo and he still found a way to win. He clearly has punching power, the ability box, and can control the range and/or pace of the fight. But because he doesn't fight inside [or clinch], he's overrated.

Gee, I don't know, if I were Lara, and I knew my opponent hit harder than I did... was a weight class or two bigger than me... and specialized on brawling inside -- I guess I'd grind it out in close quarters. That's logical.

You want to go there, I'll easily educate you on their differences. Rigondeaux knows how to move laterally, switch angles and not move in the same routine as Lara did against Angulo. Hence it's much harder to trap Rigondeaux against the ropes, and it's not that Lara doesn't have the tools; speed or athleticism, it's that he doesn't know how to apply them well enough. On top of Rigondeaux's exceptional footwork, he variates his attack and keeps his opponents off balance. He may not stand in the pocket for a considerable amount of time but he isn't afraid to mix it up there. Angulo is slow, all around slow, there was no reason for Lara to find himself having that much trouble, none whatsoever.

[Phenom]

any updates on Angulo face??

[IronDanHamza]

Right, you're pointing out things he's never had in the first place. Angulo performed well last night. If you don't think he did because of the reasons you listed, you must have thought he had those things before.

And how exactly does that mean I'm implying he had them before?

I am doing nothing but merely responding to someone saying he didn't look bad by pointing out why he looked horrible last night. How does that somehow mean I am saying he once was capable in these areas? He's never been capable in those areas.

I must have thought he had those things before? What? How?

No, what it means is I've always thought Angulo looks bad. I've never rated Angulo. Only difference is he now looks even worse.

Angulo did not perform well last night, not from what I can see. Other than his punch, he looked terrible.

[IronDanHamza]

Cotto not a natural '54-pounder. Again, I'm using the face of the division. How about Rosado, Kirkland, even Vanes has me convinced he's better than Canelo and Trout. It's a stacked division. Molina, I'm not big on -- especially after the Kirkland showing -- but he'd give Canelo and Trout work.

To say Lara is overrated because Angulo clipped him twice and slowed him down with body work.....

Lara being overrated has nothing to do with the fact he got dropped by Angulo. I've never said that anywhere.

If there's is one thing Angulo can do, it's punch. Being dropped by him is not surprising.

The fact he showed that he's one dimensional and a complete non existant inside game is why I think he's overrated.

The fact that a guy as limited, slow and outright poor as Angulo, declining no less, was able to shorten the distance so often to a state where all Lara would do in response is shell up is why I think he's overrated.

That's not to say he's not a good fighter, he certainly is. He's just not as amazing as people make out. And last night showed that.

[deejd]

You want to go there, I'll easily educate you on their differences. Rigondeaux knows how to move laterally, switch angles and not move in the same routine as Lara did against Angulo. Hence it's much harder to trap Rigondeaux against the ropes, and it's not that Lara doesn't have the tools; speed or athleticism, it's that he doesn't know how to apply them well enough. On top of Rigondeaux's exceptional footwork, he variates his attack and keeps his opponents off balance. He may not stand in the pocket for a considerable amount of time but he isn't afraid to mix it up there. Angulo is slow, all around slow, there was no reason for Lara to find himself having that much trouble, none whatsoever.

Go where? As I said before, outside of Mayweather and Rigo, who isn't limited?

Power can change plenty of perceptions. For the record, I think Rigo beats the brakes off anybody at '22, maybe even '26... but it would be interesting to see how he would fair with somebody who could eat his punches and still put the pressure on. No, Lara's footwork is nowhere near as great as Rigo's is, but he kept Angulo off balance by moving and sticking him with lead straights. He also stay inside and landed some good uppercuts when he stood in.

In all honesty, I think Angulo's power had a lot to do with why you think Lara's footwork is a problem. If you look at any of Lara's past fights, look at Vanes and Hernandez, he's able to maneuver where he wants and his footwork is just fine. It's only in this fight when he gets slowed down by body work because he doesn't clinch, does his footwork seem to be a flaw.

We've seen Mayweather deal with that... we haven't seen Rigo in with an "Angulo" yet.