Comments Thread For: Mayweather-Canelo: Saul Says Both Sides Budged on Weight

[Doctor_Tenma]

Floyd already fought at 154, the limit wasn't a problem for him then.

That's not the issue, Canelo rehydrating 19 pounds heavier after the weigh in against Trout is. Whether that's within rule or not, it's an insane amount of weight. I think Floyd tried to make things into more of an equalizer, and Canelo himself sees that as well, unless you didn't read the article.

[FeFist]

Can't wait to see the vids when the media questions him on previous quotes he's made about catch-weights.

''The thing about boxing is......... You have one guy who has been dominant in the sport of boxing for 20 years............... and another guy who has been at the top for what 2 years......... Does Floyd Mayweather have the right to stipulate the weight? Absolutely....... Absolutely I've earned my stripes...... When De La Hoya picked the ring size and gloves, aint nobody say anything then..... When Pacquiao drag fighters down in weight aint nobody have nothing to say.... but when it is Floyd Mayweather ''He's supposed to move up in weight'' ''He is supposed to beat fighters bigger than himself''. All I'm asking for is a level playing field''.

Is how I picture things.

[stefl14]

"There was some concerns from Mayweather's camp members, as Canelo rehydrates to 170"

Those were legit concerns, I'm glad we got the fight though.

Floyd can't do any wrong in your eyes. Floyd said that Cotto weighed 168 on fight night (I don't believe that at all) yet he can't let Canelo get to 172? This is about putting Alvarez at a psychological and possibly physical disadvantage. From a purely physical point of view I don't think it will make too much of a difference in the same way that I don't think Cotto was hurt by coming in at 145 but it could make a difference. However I think it's an absolute ***** move by Mayweather given that there could be psychological and possibly physical implications for Canelo and this is the only reason they are doing it. Canelo has to dry out so much already that this is just a total ***** move. Canelo isn't going to punch any less hard as he will still rehydrate hugely. This isn't about power and size cos Canelo will still be huge - it is about hoping Canelo gets even more tired than he usually does and feels at a disadvantage. The move is simply indefensible. In my view catchweights should NEVER occur they are just bull****.

[xLuKeYx]

I'm saying I'd have rather Alvarez be allowed to weigh in at 154, but be limited to rehydrating to 165 or a couple of pounds higher.

Oh right, that wasn't clear to me on first reading.

Don't you think that's where it starts to get slightly dangerous though? That was the reason they moved the weigh in's to the day before, to allow people the chance to rehydrate properly. People can say "But they shouldn't be fighting at JMW if they need to dehydrate themselves that badly to make the weight" all they want, but it used to happen a lot, it would happen a lot now if it was the same and it would continue to happen a lot. People love having any sort of advantage, no matter what the possible health drawbacks it can cause.

[SplitSecond]

People don't seem to realise that when you're at the truly elite level of boxing, just a single lb can make a ridiculous amount of difference, as anyone who has ever cut weight for a fight before will know, and that's why we get a fight at 152.

Personally, if I were in Canelo's shoes, I'd say screw Floyd and any financial penalties. Canelo's a JMW, it's a JMW fight and the JMW titles are on the line, so I'd weigh in at 154 and give myself the best possible chance of victory. If I were his manager or promoter I'd be telling him to do just that and offering to cover his losses myself.




For real? So it's not bad enough he's forcing Canelo to dehydrate himself more than he usually would, but now you want to keep him dehydrated for the fight?

has nothing to do with the level, it's just a matter of the inidviual being able to make the weight without sacrificing too much

[junior gong]

Oh right, that wasn't clear to me on first reading.

Don't you think that's where it starts to get slightly dangerous though? That was the reason they moved the weigh in's to the day before, to allow people the chance to rehydrate properly. People can say "But they shouldn't be fighting at JMW if they need to dehydrate themselves that badly to make the weight" all they want, but it used to happen a lot, it would happen a lot now if it was the same and it would continue to happen a lot. People love having any sort of advantage, no matter what the possible health drawbacks it can cause.

Exactly! If you start messing about with rehydration clauses, you just end up with the same problems as before, plus the last thing a fighter needs the day before a fight is having to worry about making weight after he has already made weight.

[Vasyl’s dad]

So in one hand we got a fighter who wants to drain another fighter so he can loose some stamina and on the other hand we got another fighter who's making his opponent come up in weight so his even slower on his feet? What great champions we got

how does one make a two time champion in that division come up?


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[xLuKeYx]

That's not the issue, Canelo rehydrating 19 pounds heavier after the weigh in against Trout is. Whether that's within rule or not, it's an insane amount of weight. I think Floyd tried to make things into more of an equalizer, and Canelo himself sees that as well, unless you didn't read the article.

If Floyd can't fight 154 lbers, then don't fight 154lbers and give up your title, it really is that simple. And that's without mentioning how dangerous it could be for Saul, he's going to get hit a lot, if he's drained, serious damage could be done.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Floyd can't do any wrong in your eyes. Floyd said that Cotto weighed 168 on fight night (I don't believe that at all) yet he can't let Canelo get to 172? This is about putting Alvarez at a psychological and possibly physical disadvantage. From a purely physical point of view I don't think it will make too much of a difference in the same way that I don't think Cotto was hurt by coming in at 145 but it could make a difference. However I think it's an absolute ***** move by Mayweather given that there could be psychological and possibly physical implications for Canelo and this is the only reason they are doing it. Canelo has to dry out so much already that this is just a total ***** move. Canelo isn't going to punch any less hard as he will still rehydrate hugely. This isn't about power and size cos Canelo will still be huge - it is about hoping Canelo gets even more tired than he usually does and feels at a disadvantage. The move is simply indefensible. In my view catchweights should NEVER occur they are just bull****.

For one, Cotto did not look like no 168, regardless of Mayweather's words. Oscar to me looked considerably bigger than Cotto when Floyd fought him. I don't like catch weights either, but puttin' on 19 pounds after the weigh in is bullshit as well. Maybe we should be talking about bringing back same day weigh ins to avoid this kind of crap completely.

[DLT]

BT: The fight is taking place at 152 pounds. Was that something that you specifically wanted or was it something that both sides thought would be fair given that he's the naturally bigger man?

FM: If I'm not mistaken, they came on record and said they wanted to meet at a catchweight [Following his November 2011 victory over Kermit Cintron, Alvarez stated, "It's what I want, the Mayweather fight. That's what we put on the table. I feel more mature and for that I am willing to go down to 150 pounds."], so we came up with 152 and both parties said we're comfortable with that. You're going to hear people criticize me and say, "You're doing the same thing Pacquiao is doing, fighting everybody at a catchweight." No I'm not because Pacquiao presents that to his opponents. Once again, these people brought this to me. They said, "Well, we'll fight Mayweather at a catchweight." That's all you had to say. You said that. I didn't bring that to you guys; you guys brought that to me. Once you brought that to me, then I said, "Well, we can meet in the middle." Then you said, "No, we don't want to meet in the middle. We want to meet at 152." So I said, "Let's make it happen!"