Has Mayweather a more important victory than Rigo over Nonito???

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  • goblin213
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    #51
    I think Floyd's win over Castillo is better than his victory over Corrales. But Corrales win was his best performance.

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    • Marvellous1
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      #52
      Let's look at this another way. Throughout the history of boxing there have been great fighters and even not-so-great fighters that have had massive wins at one time or another on their resume. Look at Lloyd Honeghan's over Don Curry for example, the late Corrie Sanders smashed the future dominant heavyweight. James Douglas shocked the world with a win over Mike Tyson. How many carried on dominating? How many built a career on such wins continually performing at the highest level consistantly? How many had careers of longevity without sudden detioration?

      Before you say it, this isn't an exercise in blowing smoke up Mayweather's arse (yes, I'm a Brit), but more trying to determine what value there is in one win against a whole career. And, what point the TS is trying to make. Does one great win make a career? Does the lack of one break a career if the rest is "very good wins"?

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      • Deevel916
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        #53
        Originally posted by Marvellous1
        To be honest, that's a little difficult when you've been considered the best in the sport for years and very few in or around your division are near your level.

        You could apply that to the last 15+ of Wlad Klitscko's las fights.

        You're basically complaining that he's too good, right?
        Had Floyd faced Pacquiao in 2010 right after he demolished both Hatton and Cotto, the odds would have been extremely close with neither fighter coming in as a big favorite.

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        • DannYankee
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          #54
          Originally posted by Deevel916
          Had Floyd faced Pacquiao in 2010 right after he demolished both Hatton and Cotto, the odds would have been extremely close with neither fighter coming in as a big favorite.

          This^ there have been over the years 2 to 4 guys depending who you ask, that people wanted to see that fight because it would actually be competitive he fought none of them.

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          • Marvellous1
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            #55
            Originally posted by ballzhog
            I think the complaint he said there was that out of the 4 fighters that we all thought had a legit chance over the years (not Hatton hype), he fought about 0 of them, well maybe Cotto is the one but about 4 years and a "retirement"too late.
            Well, let me ask you this. Out of these opponents not faced, how many of them would've been the favourite to beat Mayweather? (Hold it! I think he should've fought them too because real victories top fantasy ones, before you start)

            My opinion is that despite the potential risk, Mayweather would've been the betting favourite against every one of them, hence his point is moot.

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            • Goldie
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              #56
              Originally posted by Deevel916
              Had Floyd faced Pacquiao in 2010 right after he demolished both Hatton and Cotto, the odds would have been extremely close with neither fighter coming in as a big favorite.
              Pacquiao walked away from the 2010 negotiations to fight Clottey. Even in 2010, Floyd was the clear favorite in that fight. You're being disingenuous.

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                #57
                Wrestlemania 24 floyd had a huge win

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                • Deevel916
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                  #58
                  Originally posted by Big Dunn
                  Please explain how beating erik morales counts as great when the fight before that he lost to zahir raheem? And 151 LB margs? Geez its like you elevate mannys wins but totally discount anything floyd did. You say manny beat bradley (I agree) but prime jmm was a draw and thge majority thought manny lost the next 2. You kinda left out the castillo wins too.

                  That's just a little inconsistent.
                  151lbs Marg weighed 163lbs on fight night. Isnt that the argument you guys have when I comes to Floyd fighting Canelo? Marg was a career WW that had only 2 fights at 154 prior to facing Pac and had lost one of those fights. If anyone had a disadvantage as far as weight goes on that night it was Pac. He was in the ring with a much taller and much heaver fighter with a much longer reach. Only advantage Pac had over Margarito was speed.

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by Deevel916
                    151lbs Marg weighed 163lbs on fight night. Isnt that the argument you guys have when I comes to Floyd fighting Canelo? Marg was a career WW that had only 2 fights at 154 prior to facing Pac and had lost one of those fights. If anyone had a disadvantage as far as weight goes on that night it was Pac. He was in the ring with a much taller and much heaver fighter with a much longer reach. Only advantage Pac had over Margarito was speed.
                    And skills overall. Margarito doesn't use his reach at all

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                    • DannYankee
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                      #60
                      Originally posted by Marvellous1
                      Well, let me ask you this. Out of these opponents not faced, how many of them would've been the favourite to beat Mayweather? (Hold it! I think he should've fought them too because real victories top fantasy ones, before you start)

                      My opinion is that despite the potential risk, Mayweather would've been the betting favourite against every one of them, hence his point is moot.
                      Not favorite but at least not be a mismatch blowout, But you made my point We cant say because he never actually faced them is my point, he "Retired" when 147 was hot and couple guys where being talked about then he never fought, no Pacquiao when he seemed like terminator just like Donaire seemed before Rigo took on him either.

                      For the record i think Floyd against those fighters people talked about would have won but the point is he never even took the chance.

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