Comments Thread For: Andre Ward Relinquishes The WBC Emeritus Title
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Yup, you are right because even though I thought that Joe won the fight I did notice the huge advantage Bhop had by fighting him in the USA. Of course I am being sarcastic becasue if what you say is always true Bhop would have won the fight. You want another example?An American fighter fighting in America is always going to be a major advantage and generally speaking It wont really affect that guy fighting he'll mainly have the fans behind him not unless its a local home-town fighter he is fighting against.
Point is America is one massive ass country, secondly everyone else in the super six fought away from home so why was Andre Ward so different?
This is more of an overall example. If I was not a fighter of Mexican heritage, whether it be a Mexican-American or a Mexican national I would not fight a big fight in the state of Texas. Because they always seem to get the nod in the Lone Star state.
Ward was also no where near as well known in this country as Froch and Kessler were in their respective home countries. I would also bet good money that Ward still isn't.
So, there you have it I poked a couple of holes in your theory. I am also not the biggest ward fan around but I sure do respect the guy. And if the other fighters want to take away the advantage he has by fighting in California they need to beat him. Because in my opinion he has earned the right to call the shots.Last edited by Ravens Fan; 05-21-2013, 08:55 AM.Comment
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Travelling 9 timezones to a different country with different language, food, culture, surroundings, gyms etc. Yeah. Makes no difference. That's why the away-fighter always won in the s6 right?
WAIT! The away fighter NEVER won. Hmmmmm...... Odd.Comment
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You're right, Ward won the super six because of home cooking. It had nothing to do with him physically pummeling your Euro Champ Kessler to a bloody pulp, it had nothing to do with retiring Allan Green like a fed up kid whoops on a bully, nothing to do with completely outclassing the favorite of the tourney AA, and it certainly had nothing to do with making Froch (arguably a p4p fighter) look like a B+ fighter by beating him with literally 1 good hand 4 time zones away from Oakland. It was all home cooking, whatever helps you sleep at night buddy.Last edited by MikeRo1972; 05-21-2013, 09:26 AM.Comment
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Respectfully, some of you make me laugh. You all act like Andre Ward is Abner Mares (low blows), Floyd Meaweather (Elbows), Vlad Klitschko (clinches) and Victor Ortiz (head butts) all rolled into one fighter on their most egregious day. And that with Russell Mora reffing all his fights. But since Ward is the consensus #2 P4P in the world I'll leave you all to figure out you're simply haters, deniers, or raging Euro fight fans.
SMDH.Comment
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All I'm saying is that Ward never left his homecountry, while everyone else did. No away fighter won. Homefighter always won.You're right, Ward won the super six because of home cooking. It had nothing to do with him physically pummeling your Euro Champ Kessler to a bloody pulp, it had nothing to do with retiring Allan Green like a fed up kid whoops on a bully, nothing to do with completely outclassing the favorite of the tourney AA, and it certainly had nothing to do with making Froch (arguably a p4p fighter) look like a B+ fighter by beating him with literally 1 good hand 4 time zones away from Oakland. It was all home cooking, whatever helps you sleep at night buddy.
Ward might have won all his fights regardless of venue or he may not have, but saying that fighting at home has no impact is silly.Comment
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the bitterness that you harbor over a fight that occurred three years ago is pretty astounding. andre ward won the super six because he was an outright better fighter than anybody else in the tournament.
the only people who think like you (that ward won because he fought at home,) are the people who harbor all that bitterness over a fight that occurred three years ago.
do you really think the outcome would be different?
carl froch, for instance, had to travel to atlantic city from nottingham (where he smashes rachel cordingly, lucky bloke.) that's a few additional time zones of travel compared to ward, and some american food, which is damn good.
he speaks the language. ward was in a new city, away from his gym for a brief period, etc. these are professional boxers. they've been doing this since they were in the amateurs. you are grossly overstating the impact of travel, to the point where it just sounds like an excuse to me.
was that the difference in the fight? of course not. ward whipped his ass because he's a more talented boxer with better skills. he was mentally and physically one step ahead of carl froch. he would have been the better boxer if they fought in carl froch's living room.
do you think mikkel kessler and carl froch are better fighters than ward?Last edited by New England; 05-21-2013, 09:43 AM.Comment
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IMO Ward beats Froch anywhere on the planet. He beat him once despite a broken hand. The scores in that fight did not, IMO, reveal the real story. Ward won easy.the bitterness that you harbor over a fight that occurred three years ago is pretty astounding. andre ward won the super six because he was an outright better fighter than anybody else in the tournament.
the only people who think like you (that ward won because he fought at home,) are the people who harbor all that bitterness over a fight that occurred three years ago.
do you really think the outcome would be different?
carl froch, for instance, had to travel to atlantic city from nottingham (where he smashes rachel cordingly, lucky bloke.) that's a few additional time zones of travel compared to ward, and some american food, which is damn good.
he speaks the language. ward was in a new city, away from his gym for a brief period, etc. these are professional boxers. they've been doing this since they were in the amateurs. you are grossly overstating the impact of travel, to the point where it just sounds like an excuse to me.
was that the difference in the fight? of course not. ward whipped his ass because he's a more talented boxer with better skills. he was mentally and physically one step ahead of carl froch. he would have been the better boxer if they fought in carl froch's living room.
do you think mikkel kessler and carl froch are better fighters than ward?
However given the closeness of the scores, then it's clear that there's something about Froch that the judges like. Maybe those judges would have scored a round or two more more for Froch had the fight been in England and then you'd have had another winner.
But it's primarily the Kessler fight that bugs me. Clinching 88 times and delivering 5 headbutts without even a single caution is appauling. On top of that it was Kessler who was told he was about to be DQ'ed by the inept referee.
Now you may think that that didn't make a difference, but surely you can see where I'm coming from.Comment
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