For $32M, Showtime cut put together 10 or 15 fights like Matthyse/Peterson

[SonOfCuba]

Why are you talking about subscribers now? You said they paid 32m for Floyd. They did not. That was Mayweathers guarantee on the revue drawn from PPV, ticket sales,etc.

Showtime was simply the host and marketer of the PPV. They did the PPV so they could make millions, and in this one I calculated they made 7m. With that said, they also take all the risk. They potentially could have lost money, but that seems unlikely.

They would need to raise there yearly budget in order to use 32m more for fights. I think that would be great, especially if CBS got involved.

And I'll say it again, the main objective of Showtime and any other networks out there, is to raise their subscribers because that's where most of their money comes in.

The reason Showtime has never been able to hang with HBO is not because they don't put together as good of fights, but simply HBO has around 30 million subscribers compared about 22 million for Showtime.

[SonOfCuba]

Clearly I am wrong? I think this is pretty simple. You have zero clue how PPV fights work.

Showtime gives out guarantees, and takes all the risks. They don't pay fighters out of their own pocket unless the PPV is a disaster and they don't break even.

All the money made is from ppv revenue, ticket sales, t-shirts, and everything else in between. That money is doled out to the fighters and PPV, and whatever is left Showtime gets.

PPV fights have nothing to do with there yearly budget for boxing.

I understand your point, but you are clearly ignoring the long term benefit they would have from taking a $32M risk on something else instead of Floyd alone.

[FeFist]

The thread starter keeps shifting the goal post.

[Da Machine]

And I'll say it again, the main objective of Showtime and any other networks out there, is to raise their subscribers because that's where most of their money comes in.

The reason Showtime has never been able to hang with HBO is not because they don't put together as good of fights, but simply HBO has around 30 million subscribers compared about 22 million for Showtime.

I agree, but what does that have to do with the Mayweather PPV? NOTHING.

You are just informed. Your intentions are well, but bringing up the PPV is pointless. It has nothing to do with Showtimes yearly boxing budget.

That 32m you say they could have paid other fighters? It doesn't exist. It was created by the revenue avenues from the PPV. If they wanted to spend 32m more on other fights, then they would have to raise there yearly budget.

[Da Machine]

I understand your point, but you are clearly ignoring the long term benefit they would have from taking a $32M risk on something else instead of Floyd alone.

That doesn't make sense. There is no money there. The PPV has nothing to do with there boxing budget. It's a risk, but a calculated risk. It's highly doubtful they lost money on this fight, and if they did, 1. it wouldn't affect the boxing budget, and 2. it wouldn't make it impossible to add to the yearly budget.

Like I have said multiple times. You are right that 32m more in the budget would be great, but that has ZERO to do with the ppv.

[SonOfCuba]

I agree, but what does that have to do with the Mayweather PPV? NOTHING.

You are just informed. Your intentions are well, but bringing up the PPV is pointless. It has nothing to do with Showtimes yearly boxing budget.

That 32m you say they could have paid other fighters? It doesn't exist. It was created by the revenue avenues from the PPV. If they wanted to spend 32m more on other fights, then they would have to raise there yearly budget.

You are saying that they invest $32M in Floyd because they will make it back in revnue from the PPV and hopefully break even or keep some extra.

I'm saying, invest the $32M in putting together 10 or 15 fights a year with quality opponents, which will lead to a huge bump in your subscribers which will lead to revnue just like it would with a Floyd PPV.

Now, you may say why can't they do both, but how willing they are to taking that big of a risk, is the question here.

[Da Machine]

You are saying that they invest $32M in Floyd because they will make it back in revnue from the PPV and hopefully break even or keep some extra.

I'm saying, invest the $32M in putting together 10 or 15 fights a year with quality opponents, which will lead to a huge bump in your subscribers which will lead to revnue just like it would with a Floyd PPV.

Now, you may say why can't they do both, but how willing they are to taking that big of a risk, is the question here.

Why do that if your gonna make money. The money doesn't exist. So where would they get it?

[SonOfCuba]

Clearly I am wrong? I think this is pretty simple. You have zero clue how PPV fights work.

Showtime gives out guarantees, and takes all the risks. They don't pay fighters out of their own pocket unless the PPV is a disaster and they don't break even.

All the money made is from ppv revenue, ticket sales, t-shirts, and everything else in between. That money is doled out to the fighters and PPV, and whatever is left Showtime gets.

PPV fights have nothing to do with there yearly budget for boxing.

Listen I'm not arguing the way PPV works, I'm arguing the way this 6 fight PPV deal Showtime has with Mayweather does.

I think they could have invested better in their hopes to overthrown HBO as the best Boxing network and gain general subscribers.

Lets not forget that the reason Floyd walked HBO is because they did not agree to the deal that Showtime did. They didn't agree to that deal for a reason, because if it was a gurantee money maker like you are exaplining, HBO would have happly agreed to Floyd's demand. But they didn't, Showtime did and think they will regret it if these rumors about the numbers (which you reported on a seperate thread earlier by the way) are truth.

[Da Machine]

Listen I'm not arguing the way PPV works, I'm arguing the way this 6 fight PPV deal Showtime has with Mayweather does.

I think they could have invested better in their hopes to overthrown HBO as the best Boxing network and gain general subscribers.

Lets not forget that the reason Floyd walked HBO is because they did not agree to the deal that Showtime did. They didn't agree to that deal for a reason, because if it was a gurantee money maker like you are exaplining, HBO would have happly agreed to Floyd's demand. But they didn't, Showtime did and think they will regret it if these rumors about the numbers (which you reported on a seperate thread earlier by the way) are truth.

I'm not arguing with you that it would be cool/smart if they threw 32m more into the boxing budget, but what you are not understanding, is that money doesn't exist.

Also, you need to understand, and I don't know how many times I can say it. The PPV has nothing to do with Showtimes boxing budget. What you are proposing is a $32m increase in the budget. If they did add the $32, which I doubt they can afford, it would still have nothing to do with the PPV, and they would still be doing the PPV's.

And yes I did mention the PPV numbers. I also mentioned that based on my calculations showtime made roughly $7m.

[edwinteamDSG]

Its 32m for the only ppv star left in the us since mannys gone so all the people that gonna subscribe to see him is well worth it ,most people dont even know mathysse or peterson. so what they win with 10/15 of unknown fights? Lol