Comments Thread For: Fighting Words: Should Floyd Face the Best of 154, 160?

[straightleft]

Can people like Straightleft stop with the he ducked a young Cotto. When they were both with TopRank... it was Arum who kept saying Cotto was too green for that fight ( his exact words)... go back and look at interviews. Once Mayweather left Arum, the fight could never happen as long as Cotto was still with Arum.

Don't forget Floyd also said Cotto live too far away for him to fight.

There is a video somewhere up there Floyd admitted he cherry picked his fights carefully. Floyd fought Cotto decade later after he waa soften by Margarito and Pac. Now if you can't accept the words from the horse mouth, I really don't know what to say.

[HeroBando]

Mayweather-Pacquiao was never 50-50. Pacquiao was always a clear underdog to Mayweather even before Marquez KO'ed him. Criticism is legit, hate isn't. You can criticize Mayweather and his opponent selection without being a hater. A lot of you people are haters. The disrespect that some of you show Mayweather is shameful. Floyd's greatness isn't based on beating Guerrero, it's based on the totality of his 44 pro fights. Floyd is the biggest draw in boxing so that "he doesn't fight anyone that the majority of fans want to see" BS doesn't really fly. That's just an excuse used to try and justify hate. That Abner Mares is completely invalid and it exposes your ignorance. Mares isn't fighting for the fans, he's fighting for money. Stop being so naive. Mares doesn't give a damn about you fans either, he's just not in the position that Mayweather is in. Mares isn't chasing respect, he's chasing money. Wise up.I don't know who he should fight. I'm not saying that he shouldn't fight Canelo. I'm saying that I understand why he might not. I'm saying that hating isn't justified if he doesn't.You really need to get over yourself. I don't think that Mayweather does things in spite of people like you. I think that he does things not caring about people like you. He has 1 good win in his weight class, that's also reality.

Well you're being irrational. Floyd shouldn't have to tell you something that should dawn on you using common sense. If Mayweather doesn't seriously pursue the Canelo fight(assuming that the money isn't the roadblock) then common sense should tell you that the size difference is a major factor. Mayweather shouldn't have to spell that out for you.

I have seen Mayweather challenge himself. His last fight was against an elite WW(Mayweather's best division) after taking a year off including 2 months in jail. To me that was a challenge. Boxing is business homie. I understand that you want the best possible matchups when you want them but you don't always get that in pro prize fighting. If you haven't came to grips with that by now then you never will and you'll continue to be disappointed. Politics are always involved in which fights do or don't get made. That's just something that you have to deal with.

Floyd is a grown man, that means that he gets to do whatever he wants to do. It's not up to me to grant him that right. We as fans can either agree or not agree. If you don't think that his fights are worth watching, then don't watch. It's pretty simple. I don't think that fighters like Guerrero are just "anybody", Floyd just makes elite guys look that way. I personally enjoyed the fight on 5/4. Look, I'm not saying that Floyd is above criticism. There's nothing wrong with cricizing him if he doesn't take the Canelo fight. Criticism and hate are 2 different things though. You can criticize while acknowledging the counter perspective. That's my only point here. I see hate here, not legitimate criticism. Canelo is thought to be a competitive fight because he has a distinct size, power, and age advantage. I see no reason to hate Mayweather if he chooses to give an opponent those advantages at age 36 for a minimal reward(relatively speaking).

You can just pick a random pixel in this novel, and be sure you stumbled on bull****. Maybe Guerrero really was meant to be a challenge to Floyd at a well preserved 36. That should end any p4p talk hopefully

[Goldie]

You can just pick a random pixel in this novel, and be sure you stumbled on bull****. Maybe Guerrero really was meant to be a challenge to Floyd at a well preserved 36. That should end any p4p talk hopefully

You just stay mad hater. That's your job, stay on it.

[HeroBando]

You just stay mad hater. That's your job, stay on it.

It's all good man. It's an epic comedown, so you better be able to take a little after dishing for so long. Although it will take a long time for this to wash away, unless Floyd mans up for once.

[Chiboxing123]

Mayweather-Pacquiao was never 50-50. Pacquiao was always a clear underdog to Mayweather even before Marquez KO'ed him. Criticism is legit, hate isn't. You can criticize Mayweather and his opponent selection without being a hater. A lot of you people are haters. The disrespect that some of you show Mayweather is shameful. Floyd's greatness isn't based on beating Guerrero, it's based on the totality of his 44 pro fights. Floyd is the biggest draw in boxing so that "he doesn't fight anyone that the majority of fans want to see" BS doesn't really fly. That's just an excuse used to try and justify hate. That Abner Mares is completely invalid and it exposes your ignorance. Mares isn't fighting for the fans, he's fighting for money. Stop being so naive. Mares doesn't give a damn about you fans either, he's just not in the position that Mayweather is in. Mares isn't chasing respect, he's chasing money. Wise up.I don't know who he should fight. I'm not saying that he shouldn't fight Canelo. I'm saying that I understand why he might not. I'm saying that hating isn't justified if he doesn't.You really need to get over yourself. I don't think that Mayweather does things in spite of people like you. I think that he does things not caring about people like you. He has 1 good win in his weight class, that's also reality.

Well you're being irrational. Floyd shouldn't have to tell you something that should dawn on you using common sense. If Mayweather doesn't seriously pursue the Canelo fight(assuming that the money isn't the roadblock) then common sense should tell you that the size difference is a major factor. Mayweather shouldn't have to spell that out for you.

I have seen Mayweather challenge himself. His last fight was against an elite WW(Mayweather's best division) after taking a year off including 2 months in jail. To me that was a challenge. Boxing is business homie. I understand that you want the best possible matchups when you want them but you don't always get that in pro prize fighting. If you haven't came to grips with that by now then you never will and you'll continue to be disappointed. Politics are always involved in which fights do or don't get made. That's just something that you have to deal with.

Floyd is a grown man, that means that he gets to do whatever he wants to do. It's not up to me to grant him that right. We as fans can either agree or not agree. If you don't think that his fights are worth watching, then don't watch. It's pretty simple. I don't think that fighters like Guerrero are just "anybody", Floyd just makes elite guys look that way. I personally enjoyed the fight on 5/4. Look, I'm not saying that Floyd is above criticism. There's nothing wrong with cricizing him if he doesn't take the Canelo fight. Criticism and hate are 2 different things though. You can criticize while acknowledging the counter perspective. That's my only point here. I see hate here, not legitimate criticism. Canelo is thought to be a competitive fight because he has a distinct size, power, and age advantage. I see no reason to hate Mayweather if he chooses to give an opponent those advantages at age 36 for a minimal reward(relatively speaking).

So mares is chasing rigondeux for the money????? Really cause that fight is gonna make him big time money right????? How about mares wants that fight cause people perceive rigondeux as the best at 122 now.You're A big time floyd fan that's why u can't understand the " hate". He legacy isn't gonna stick with fighting the Alexander's and khans of the world. But he don't give a *****tttt about that. So more power to him

[Chiboxing123]

[QUOTE=Goldie;13365739]Mayweather-Pacquiao was never 50-50. Pacquiao was always a clear underdog to Mayweather even before Marquez KO'ed him. Criticism is legit, hate isn't. You can criticize Mayweather and his opponent selection without being a hater. A lot of you people are haters. The disrespect that some of you show Mayweather is shameful. Floyd's greatness isn't based on beating Guerrero, it's based on the totality of his 44 pro fights. Floyd is the biggest draw in boxing so that "he doesn't fight anyone that the majority of fans want to see" BS doesn't really fly. That's just an excuse used to try and justify hate. That Abner Mares is completely invalid and it exposes your ignorance. Mares isn't fighting for the fans, he's fighting for money. Stop being so naive. Mares doesn't give a damn about you fans either, he's just not in the position that Mayweather is in. Mares isn't chasing respect, he's chasing money. Wise up.I don't know who he should fight. I'm not saying that he shouldn't fight Canelo. I'm saying that I understand why he might not. I'm saying that hating isn't justified if he doesn't.You really need to get over yourself. I don't think that Mayweather does things in spite of people like you. I think that he does things not caring about people like you. He has 1 good win in his weight class, that's also






And how was that fight never 50-50?
Mayweather vs Hatton ended in ten. Manny finished him in two. Floyd and Oscar had a competitive fight that was close and manny beat odlh pretty easy. Floyd vs cotto was a close fight and manny killed cotto. Floyd ducked margarito and manny destroyed him. C'mon man I'm not some big manny fan but don't say that fight wasent 50-50 at one time be real.

[Light_Speed]

Well you're being irrational. Floyd shouldn't have to tell you something that should dawn on you using common sense. If Mayweather doesn't seriously pursue the Canelo fight(assuming that the money isn't the roadblock) then common sense should tell you that the size difference is a major factor. Mayweather shouldn't have to spell that out for you.

I'm not in his head, if he doesn't say he has a problem with fighting at 154 then I'm not gonna assume he does, especially since he fought there recently and regularly spars with jr middleweights. When fighters don't feel good at a weight, they openly say so. It's not common sense, a fighter can look less than great at a certain weight but say he feels good and he's gonna stay there (Abraham at 168) or a fighter can look great at a weight but claim he doesn't feel good and won't stay there (Pacquiao at 154). Don't assume things and make excuses for fighters.

I have seen Mayweather challenge himself. His last fight was against an elite WW(Mayweather's best division) after taking a year off including 2 months in jail. To me that was a challenge. Boxing is business homie. I understand that you want the best possible matchups when you want them but you don't always get that in pro prize fighting. If you haven't came to grips with that by now then you never will and you'll continue to be disappointed. Politics are always involved in which fights do or don't get made. That's just something that you have to deal with.

I have no problem with the Guerrero fight, look at my sig. Now that that's out of the way, I wanna see him against the best opponent he can face. I know I don't always get what I want but I'm not gonna say I don't care about it. My problem is when people like you say "I don't care who he fights next, it's fine with me" how can a true boxing fan say that? I know it's pretty much useless to complain but at least admit that there are certain fights that you want and if you don't get them you'll be disappointed, at least a little bit. You're talking like if you had the power to request certain matchups you wouldn't use it and you'd let Floyd do what he wants because of his track record...

Look, I'm not saying that Floyd is above criticism. There's nothing wrong with cricizing him if he doesn't take the Canelo fight. Criticism and hate are 2 different things though. You can criticize while acknowledging the counter perspective. That's my only point here. I see hate here, not legitimate criticism. Canelo is thought to be a competitive fight because he has a distinct size, power, and age advantage. I see no reason to hate Mayweather if he chooses to give an opponent those advantages at age 36 for a minimal reward(relatively speaking).

Where's the hate? I obviously don't hate Floyd, quite the opposite. What I hate is this victim mentality of screaming hate everytime your favorite fighter gets criticized. Only thing I said is IF Floyd doesn't fight Canelo I'd be disappointed. What's hateful about that? What do you want me to say? "I have no feeling whatsoever about Floyd's opposition, he could fight Ms Jackson and I'd be cool with it".

[mathed]

154 pound champions:

WBC - Alvarez

WBA - Mayweather jr.

/discussion/excuses

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Floyd has to fight Canelo at 154

If not he will greatly harm his legacy.

People wont remember all the great performances he had 25 years from now.
They will just talk about how he never fought manny or canelo. And that would be a shame if it turned out like that.

[icha]

why do peoople always say this? Again, who cares about the title? Floyd has passed the level of titles a long time ago. Unless its about winning a fight at MW, then the titles dont matter to Floyd. Even the most die hard fan would say "fine, strip him then".

Thats not even an argument so why do people keep brining it up. He's the #1 P4P fighter in the sport and the biggest money maker. That means he's bigger than the title. He doesnt care about getting stripped because whenever he wants to fight at 154 again, he can go straight for a title because any of the champs will want to fight him

floyd being honest should vacate before getting stripped, why keep the title and wait until get striped? he should vacate and let the world know that he fought cotto at 154 only because it was a beatable fight but he wants no part of the rest of 154lbs....