The gloves issue, just how big is it?

[ReadyUp]

Ledermans card is not an offical card.

[Manny_P]

Ledermans card is not an offical card.

then gimme the official ones.....

[ReadyUp]

Scores going into 5th round were 38-38 BEFORE the headbutt round.
You used to say that Pac was up on the cards BEFORE the headbutt which lost Manny the fight.

[Manny_P]

Scores going into 5th round were 38-38 BEFORE the headbutt round.
You used to say that Pac was up on the cards BEFORE the headbutt which lost Manny the fight.

nvm you don't have it and you're goin off topic anyways.

[ReadyUp]

nvm you don't have it and you're goin off topic anyways.

Um...I am?

Your statement was Pac was up before the headbutt in round 5.

At the end of round 4 the score was 38-38 dead even with Morales taking the last round.

I have the fight at my fingertips on DVD and it's also on demand if you want to catch up on the scores. It shows the offical judges scores round-by-round.

[ReadyUp]

This just in....

Morales was ahead 48-47 on all 3 judges scorecards including Harold Lederman's card after 5 rounds.

Also, Lederman actually had the fight 39-37 for Morales after 4 rounds.

Where do you get your info Manny?

[ron123186]

I believe Pac would have won in the first fight, morales won by a few, BUTT with the right gloves and no swelling of his eye as the rounds continued, pac would have had more confidence giving more of his explosive non-stop energy. Anyway i am extremely sure pac has got this fight. I love how Pacquiao is making way for the filipino boxers

[mic573]

What some people might fail to realize is that Manny got this notice that he had to wear these gloves that he's never wore in any of his previous fights or in training before with only a week's notice.

No, it was written into the contract long before they went to training camp. He had all training camp to know he was using Winning gloves. I mean everyone else knew and it was on almost every website so they had to know something. It's just another in a long line of excuses for Pacquiao. I'm a fan of Pacquiao but come on whenever they talk about the first fight they say no excuses but then they come right behind that with two or three of them.

[ReadyUp]

No, it was written into the contract long before they went to training camp. He had all training camp to know he was using Winning gloves. I mean everyone else knew and it was on almost every website so they had to know something. It's just another in a long line of excuses for Pacquiao. I'm a fan of Pacquiao but come on whenever they talk about the first fight they say no excuses but then they come right behind that with two or three of them.

Can't argue with that.

[SuckaPunch]

No, it was written into the contract long before they went to training camp. He had all training camp to know he was using Winning gloves. I mean everyone else knew and it was on almost every website so they had to know something. It's just another in a long line of excuses for Pacquiao. I'm a fan of Pacquiao but come on whenever they talk about the first fight they say no excuses but then they come right behind that with two or three of them.

Of course, it was written in the contract before training camp. Why would you train for a fight when there's no contract?

But the bad thing is Murad did not tell Pacquiao and Roach that Winning gloves should be used by both fighters in the contract. I remember knowing about this gloves issues a week and half before the fight.

Murad is a ****ed up individual, that's the bottomline, and he deserved to be fired. I still believe that the gloves thing was NOT an issue in the first fight(and hopefully, Pac proves me wrong this coming Saturday). But I just want to correct your statement saying they knew about it before training camp. FALSE. Only Murad knew, the rest of Pacquiao camp did not.