The gloves issue, just how big is it?

[ELPacman]

Of course, it was written in the contract before training camp. Why would you train for a fight when there's no contract?

But the bad thing is Murad did not tell Pacquiao and Roach that Winning gloves should be used by both fighters in the contract. I remember knowing about this gloves issues a week and half before the fight.

Murad is a ****ed up individual, that's the bottomline, and he deserved to be fired. I still believe that the gloves thing was NOT an issue in the first fight(and hopefully, Pac proves me wrong this coming Saturday). But I just want to correct your statement saying they knew about it before training camp. FALSE. Only Murad knew, the rest of Pacquiao camp did not.

Ya this is correct. It was signed into contract though Murad low and behold, felt nobody had to know until there was 1 week left before the fight. I remember reading this piece of information on the Monday of the week of the fight. Read it at the Pacland website which would update daily just about and I visited it daily so I'm sure I got it the day the story hit the net. As soon as I read it, I knew Manny was handicapped already. I had alittle faith left that Manny could pull off a miracle with his boxing skills and forget about trying to knock Morale's head off. Unfortunately it just went as Manny continued to try to knock Morales's head off which didn't happen.

Also, someone mentioned I was making excuses already for if Manny loses, it's cause of the gloves or something? Um, did you read the post? That whole gloves issue was from the first fight...I got no excuses and Manny should have no excuses since this is supposely his best training he's ever had(I doubt that compared to the Barrera one though), and he's getting his gloves. What more does he need?

[2_piece_combos]

You didn't answer my question. When was the last time Eric knock down any opponent? As I said STOP DREAMING!

Jesus Chavez. Next question.

Pacquaio only a puncher when he is using a Reyes gloves? Of course not, but the result is obvious. Those "pillow gloves" favored Eric than Pacman. Eric fought Barrera 3 times. 3 times! Did he ever put Barrera down in the canvas? Pacquaio fought Barrera just 1 time and he put Barrera down 3 times.

Floyd stopped his opponents using those same "pillows." When has Floyd EVER been recognized as a puncher? How about never? This is the same guy that used to damage his brittle hands in his fights. So what's Manny's excuse again? You know the guy actually regarded as a "puncher."

I can assure you that Pacquaio's chin will hold up this coming Saturday. The question is can Eric's chin hold up?

Right, because it's Erik that's been stopped twice. Oops, no that would be Pacquiao. Pwned!

[psychopath]

Jesus Chavez. Next question.



Floyd stopped his opponents using those same "pillows." When has Floyd EVER been recognized as a puncher? How about never? This is the same guy that used to damage his brittle hands in his fights. So what's Manny's excuse again? You know the guy actually regarded as a "puncher."



Right, because it's Erik that's been stopped twice. Oops, no that would be Pacquiao. Pwned!

Jesus Chavez and when was that?

Yeah right Pacquaio was stopped twice that was when he was just starting to box. And for your info those we're not punches to the chin. Those we're punches to the bread basket. Aren't we talking of chins here? Who got Pwned?


Floyd? Floyd is Floyd, Pacquaio is Pacquaio. Other people's medicine is poison to others buddy so that's an unacceptable arguement.

It's hard to explain to DUMBASS like you that confidence is a major factor in competing.

You give a marathon runner a different brand of shoes just before he ran the marathon and see what happens. You give the number 1 tennis player a new brand of racket with exactly the same weight of what he is using and see what happens.

You see what confidence can do? So don't ****i'n argue that it's not an issue and a factor. You go into any competition with a battered confidence then it makes you lose focus.

Don't stray away from the topic too much and present a logical arguement, **** HEAD!

Eric is gonna K.O. Pacman with his JABS? Stop hallucinating because Eric gave Pacman his best shot the last time around and the guy remained standing. If ever Ertic knockouts Pacman this time using a cleto then that will justify my arguement that indeed the gloves is an issue. Am i right?

Who got Pwned?

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Jesus Chavez and when was that?

Yeah right Pacquaio was stopped twice that was when he was just starting to box. And for your info those we're not punches to the chin. Those we're punches to the bread basket. Aren't we talking of chins here? Who got Pwned?


Floyd? Floyd is Floyd, Pacquaio is Pacquaio. Other people's medicine is poison to others buddy so that's an unacceptable arguement.

It's hard to explain to DUMBASS like you that confidence is a major factor in competing.

You give a marathon runner a different brand of shoes just before he ran the marathon and see what happens. You give the number 1 tennis player a new brand of racket with exactly the same weight of what he is using and see what happens.

You see what confidence can do? So don't ****i'n argue that it's not an issue and a factor. You go into any competition with a battered confidence then it makes you lose focus.

Don't stray away from the topic too much and present a logical arguement, **** HEAD!

Eric is gonna K.O. Pacman with his JABS? Stop hallucinating because Eric gave Pacman his best shot the last time around and the guy remained standing. If ever Ertic knockouts Pacman this time using a cleto then that will justify my arguement that indeed the gloves is an issue. Am i right?

Who got Pwned?

The logical argument has been relayed to you. You're the one that's venturing off to tennis, track & field etc as if has any relevance to boxing. You're pwning yourself. As a fighter, if you don't have confidence when fighting on HBO PPV then you shouldn't be boxing, especially at this level. It doesn't get as bigger than that in this sport. Face it, Team Pacquiao are just making excuses. And you're just a delusional fan trying to save face. He was pwned. Get over it.

If Eric knocks out Pacquiao with Reyes gloves, it proves that gloves don't win fights, fighters win fights. Pacquiao lost, period. When the **** has gloves ever been an intangible when analyzing someone's boxing abilities? Answer that. NEVER!

Pacquiao fought a guy he believed was one-dimensional, and he paid dearly for that. Morales is an complete fighter. He can do it all from ****ing and brawling, dominating on the inside, pivoting using angles and countering with the uppercut, and/or just simply outboxing an opponent to take a decision. Pacquiao lost because the adjustments he was force to make didn't work, period. The gloves issue is just a built-in excuse. Picture Tyson bitching about gloves. He's a puncher, isn't he?

A puncher can punch with any glove. That's why Judah knocked out Spinks with Grant gloves. He's a puncher. Gloves are gloves.

[NAB]

If you blame gloves for losing a fight... then you are seriously clutching at straws.
Pathetic.

[+= El Jefe=+]

if someone is gonna knock someone out they will knock him out i dont care what gloves they are.
so lets stop talking about the ****ing gloves

[psychopath]

The logical argument has been relayed to you. You're the one that's venturing off to tennis, track & field etc as if has any relevance to boxing. You're pwning yourself. As a fighter, if you don't have confidence when fighting on HBO PPV then you shouldn't be boxing, especially at this level. It doesn't get as bigger than that in this sport. Face it, Team Pacquiao are just making excuses. And you're just a delusional fan trying to save face. He was pwned. Get over it.

If Eric knocks out Pacquiao with Reyes gloves, it proves that gloves don't win fights, fighters win fights. Pacquiao lost, period. When the **** has gloves ever been an intangible when analyzing someone's boxing abilities? Answer that. NEVER!

Pacquiao fought a guy he believed was one-dimensional, and he paid dearly for that. Morales is an complete fighter. He can do it all from ****ing and brawling, dominating on the inside, pivoting using angles and countering with the uppercut, and/or just simply outboxing an opponent to take a decision. Pacquiao lost because the adjustments he was force to make didn't work, period. The gloves issue is just a built-in excuse. Picture Tyson bitching about gloves. He's a puncher, isn't he?

A puncher can punch with any glove. That's why Judah knocked out Spinks with Grant gloves. He's a puncher. Gloves are gloves.

What logical arguement have you presented? That PBF knockout his last 2 opponents using a diffeent kind of gloves? And that Pacman was stopped twice via body blow that's why his chin won't hold this time? Is that logical to you? I mentioned Trach and field and tennis just make your dumbass understand what is it to get distracted and to have a damage confidence going into a competition. I'm not straying off the topic because the mesage is clear but if you can't understand that, I'm sorry for you buddy. It's either your a blind fanatic ot you're a hater.

I'm not a disillusional fan and I'm not even a Pac fan. Read my eallier post again, that says no arguement that Pac loss. I'm here arguing because the topic says is it an issue or not? Which I firmly belive it is.

A puncher can punch with any kind of gloves? That's just your own insunuation and perception. Then tell me why Morales is now considering using cleto for this fight and have been practicing with it? Why?

[psychopath]

If you blame gloves for losing a fight... then you are seriously clutching at straws.
Pathetic.

Just to make it clear, I'm not blaming the gloves for Pacman losing that fight. He did lose that fight but it is an issue which is what the topic is all about.

[machotime]

Just to make it clear, I'm not blaming the gloves for Pacman losing that fight. He did lose that fight but it is an issue which is what the topic is all about.

Gloves are important, but guess what, Pacman lost the first fight, so he shouldn't be trying to demand his preference in gloves or anything like that.

[2_piece_combos]

What logical arguement have you presented? That PBF knockout his last 2 opponents using a diffeent kind of gloves? Is that logical to you? I mentioned Trach and field and tennis just make your dumbass understand what is it to get distracted and to have a damage confidence going into a competition. I'm not straying off the topic because the mesage is clear but if you can't understand that, I'm sorry for you buddy. It's either your a blind fanatic ot you're a hater.

I'm not a disillusional fan and I'm not even a Pac fan. Read my eallier post again, that says no arguement that Pac loss. I'm here arguing because the topic says is it an issue or not? Which I firmly belive it is.

A puncher can punch with any kind of gloves? That's just your own insunuation and perception. Then tell me why Morales is now considering using cleto for this fight and have been practicing with it? Why?

You have completely lost your mind. Anybody that reads all of the arguments presented will see that you're losing it, fast.