Some of his welterweight fights have been a disgrace compared to who he could have fought instead.
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Originally posted by J The UnBiased View PostBe an adult and stop with the ****sexual tirade you clown. Margarito is definitely Shane's most impressive win, no doubt about it. Margarito looked like crap against Shane because Shane exposed him for the one dimensional fighter Margarito is. His fight game is very amateurish with little to no skill involved. But he was believed to be a beast because he hit hard and had a harder chin. He was praised for beating the undefeated Cotto, which would have been impressive had the hand wrap situation never came up. And yes, Baldomir deserved a shot, he was the WBC and IBA champ at Welter Weight. Margarito was not, simple. I's clear to me that you have a personal dislike for a guy you've never met, and that's just the child in you and you haven't tapped into your man hood yet, whatever. but if telling the truth means im the childish term "*****", then I guess I'm a *****.
lmfaaoooo margarito is not shane's best win that would be vs oscar 1. and yes margarito was basically done after the cotto fight and shane's win was made better than it was because of physically shot margarito.
look at how shane looked after the margarito fight. he hasnt won a fight since.
you are a floyd fluffer. stop pretending to be some honest neutral knowledgeable boxing fan.
YOU ARE NOT.
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Originally posted by cautiousghostHe didnt duck Pacquiao. Pacquiao is a great fighter in his own right but.
Manny catchweighted Cotto at 145 after he got dominated and demoralized by a plaster fisted Margarito. , Oscar at 145 after he got beat by Floyd., beat Mosley after Floyd Dominated him and toyed with him. , and Hatton after Floyd took his undefeated confidence and TKO'd him.
Marquez weighed the same for the Floyd fight as he did for Pac/Marquez IV which 143. Floyd came in at 146, which is 2 pounds above what they agreed upon. Pac came in at the 147 limit against Marquez.
There isn't anyone that Manny beat worth mentioning that Floyd didn't first.
Manny didn't have to fight, Corrales, Gatti, Judah, Hernandez, Corley, or Castillo who came in as a Welter against Floyd both times.
Floyd beat Oscar at 154, Cotto at 154, Hatton undefeated, Mosley after he dominated Margarito, Victor Ortiz off fight of the year, and Guerrero who is the 3rd ranked Welter.
No matter the 4 pound weight advantage he toyed with Marquez as well.
Floyd gets penalized for being too good. When he dominates fighters that would give any other fighter a problem, its considered cherry picking.
While Floyd was beating Corrales, Gatti, Hernandez, N'dou, Gatti, Castillo, Manfreddy, and Judah.
Manny was losing to Morales, and fighting Serikzhan Yeshmagambetov, Fahprakorb Rakkiatgym. ( I know right, who's that?)
Manny's mystique really began when he was supposed to be the one to beat Floyd.
That's where it all started. But anyone who knows boxing knows there is no way that Manny would beat Floyd. He can't outbox him. He could potentially win a KO, but I believe Floyd's defense is too good for that. It'd be incredibly one sided to be honest.
If Manny has done better than Floyd against their mutual competition then why has Every fighter who has fought them both has said that Floyd would win.
He doesn't have one punch KO power and that is what keeps him disciplined. and why he never gets too wild and can avoid getting tagged.
What he does better than anyone else is make his opponents gun shy. Not KO power but enough power to make his opponents respect him. Its simple human trial and error. If you do something, and the outcome is severe punishment without any reward, you dont wanna do it anymore.
It happened to Guerrero, and Ortiz, and Oscar, and Marquez, and Mosley, and Judah, and Chico, and everyone else.
Gatti is a prime example. Known for Brawling and having the heart of a lion, was incredibly gunshy when Floyd took it to him. He didn't even wanna swing back after a while.
Manny is a great fighter. One of the greatest of our time. But you can run into another Pacquiao and we almost did in Donaire. THAT FAST.
Fighters like Floyd don't come around top often.
Fighters with Elite Defense. Elite Offense, Elite Accuracy, Elite Defense, Moderate Power, Elite Speed, Elite Elusiveness, Elite Stamina, Elite inside game, Elite Jab and Right hand, elite chin, Elite Ring Generalship, Elite CounterPunching, and Elite Adaptation. He has all that. And It's sad that so many people who should be appreciating the privilege to watch the Marvel that he is fight, waste time disrespecting and discrediting him.
Im not disrespecting Pacquiao either. like I said he's great. I never called him out his name. He's not "wacquiao" or "nanny". He's Manny Pacquiao. But he is several tiers lower than Floyd.
A great fighter, just not quite there yet.
If you really think Pacquiao would beat Floyd, I just have one question.
How would he do it? Everytime I ask someone that, they can never answer it. Can you sir?
Floyd would counter Manny all night, right hand lead after right hand lead. The worst part is, is that Floyd is the bigger man so Manny's only hope would be to outbox him because he wouldn't be able push him around and rough him up.
Not disrespecting anyone's opinions. , just stating mine. as well as some facts, which you could find anywhere living in our beautiful era of instant search engines.
Cotto offered the catchweight, fact, cotto also said he was in his best ever condition after his best ever camp. fact. there goes your first part, you need to do your research, I believe cotto himself rather than you guessing.
Hatton, are you serious? hatton was nothing at 147, he showed that before he fought floyd when he almost got knocked out bar the help from a ref. pac fought hatton at his best weight, hatton himself said he was much better at 140 rather than 147 (another fact btw that hatton said that)
see where this is going kid? you are guessing while I am telling you what fighters said themselves and have done
for the love of god, stop using the 3rd ranked welter bs with guerrero, the whole world knows rankings are bs, a great example is wbc having khan as the 2nd at 147, will you start spouting khan being the 2nd best atfer that? guerrero was not even in the top 5 of ww, he just moved up 2 fights ago for christ sake from lightweight. stop using that bs, you are making yourself look ******
oscar, now now, go on google and look at what oscar has said before and after the fight, why do you post your rubbish? when floyd got to oscar, he was a part time fighter coming off 1 rubbish fight vs mayorga and a long lay off, he was winning after 6 rounds and then his age showed, oscar in his prime would have won that fight
mosley, 18 month lay off and nearly 40, do I need to say more? use your brain kid
Now now, lets go back in time....
who was the best at 135 when floyd was there....a prime mosley...hmm what happened? quack quack?
who was the best at 140, kostya? what did floyd do? quack quack?
who was the best at 147? cotto/margo/williams, HE BLOODY RETIRED! HAHAHA yes, can you believe that? instead of fighting the top 147s, he picked a 140 fighter and then retired, coming back when they were finished!
then pacman...dear lord, 14 days, 7 days, 3 days and 0 days, all agreed and then he changed the split to duck him, christ sake
the evident is there, floyd has ducked the best, he picked on cherry picked fights most of his career, especially in his prime
history will always remember floyd ducking the best at 147, remember that
yes yess, floyd beats all of the guys he ducked, that what fools like you post time and time again, if thats the case, why did he duck them ALL?
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Originally posted by RlCKY View PostThat's what being great, (or the GOAT, in Mayweather's mind), should be about.
Fighting the guy that the general consensus is that this is the man who is the biggest threat to you.
Whomever that guy is, is who Mayweather should fight in each one of his last 5 fights.
But people are too ****** to demand this and will throw their $70 away five more times to see Khan, Alexander, Garcia...I think out of his last 5 fights only one will be a fight that EVERYBODY will be excited about.
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Originally posted by RichCCFC View PostSome of his welterweight fights have been a disgrace compared to who he could have fought instead.
imagine is he fought mosley at 135?
imagine if he fought kostya at 140?
imagine if he fought williams at 147?
imagine if he fought margo at 147?
imagine if he fought a prime cotto at 147?
imagine if he fought a prime pac at 147?
imagine if he fought a prime martinez and canelo at 154?
all imagines, yet his floyd *****s will have you believe he has defeated them instead of ducking them
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Originally posted by cautiousghostHe didnt duck Pacquiao. Pacquiao is a great fighter in his own right but.
Manny catchweighted Cotto at 145 after he got dominated and demoralized by a plaster fisted Margarito. , Oscar at 145 after he got beat by Floyd., beat Mosley after Floyd Dominated him and toyed with him. , and Hatton after Floyd took his undefeated confidence and TKO'd him.
Marquez weighed the same for the Floyd fight as he did for Pac/Marquez IV which 143. Floyd came in at 146, which is 2 pounds above what they agreed upon. Pac came in at the 147 limit against Marquez.
There isn't anyone that Manny beat worth mentioning that Floyd didn't first.
Manny didn't have to fight, Corrales, Gatti, Judah, Hernandez, Corley, or Castillo who came in as a Welter against Floyd both times.
Floyd beat Oscar at 154, Cotto at 154, Hatton undefeated, Mosley after he dominated Margarito, Victor Ortiz off fight of the year, and Guerrero who is the 3rd ranked Welter.
No matter the 4 pound weight advantage he toyed with Marquez as well.
Floyd gets penalized for being too good. When he dominates fighters that would give any other fighter a problem, its considered cherry picking.
While Floyd was beating Corrales, Gatti, Hernandez, N'dou, Gatti, Castillo, Manfreddy, and Judah.
Manny was losing to Morales, and fighting Serikzhan Yeshmagambetov, Fahprakorb Rakkiatgym. ( I know right, who's that?)
Manny's mystique really began when he was supposed to be the one to beat Floyd.
That's where it all started. But anyone who knows boxing knows there is no way that Manny would beat Floyd. He can't outbox him. He could potentially win a KO, but I believe Floyd's defense is too good for that. It'd be incredibly one sided to be honest.
If Manny has done better than Floyd against their mutual competition then why has Every fighter who has fought them both has said that Floyd would win.
He doesn't have one punch KO power and that is what keeps him disciplined. and why he never gets too wild and can avoid getting tagged.
What he does better than anyone else is make his opponents gun shy. Not KO power but enough power to make his opponents respect him. Its simple human trial and error. If you do something, and the outcome is severe punishment without any reward, you dont wanna do it anymore.
It happened to Guerrero, and Ortiz, and Oscar, and Marquez, and Mosley, and Judah, and Chico, and everyone else.
Gatti is a prime example. Known for Brawling and having the heart of a lion, was incredibly gunshy when Floyd took it to him. He didn't even wanna swing back after a while.
Manny is a great fighter. One of the greatest of our time. But you can run into another Pacquiao and we almost did in Donaire. THAT FAST.
Fighters like Floyd don't come around top often.
Fighters with Elite Defense. Elite Offense, Elite Accuracy, Elite Defense, Moderate Power, Elite Speed, Elite Elusiveness, Elite Stamina, Elite inside game, Elite Jab and Right hand, elite chin, Elite Ring Generalship, Elite CounterPunching, and Elite Adaptation. He has all that. And It's sad that so many people who should be appreciating the privilege to watch the Marvel that he is fight, waste time disrespecting and discrediting him.
Im not disrespecting Pacquiao either. like I said he's great. I never called him out his name. He's not "wacquiao" or "nanny". He's Manny Pacquiao. But he is several tiers lower than Floyd.
A great fighter, just not quite there yet.
If you really think Pacquiao would beat Floyd, I just have one question.
How would he do it? Everytime I ask someone that, they can never answer it. Can you sir?
Floyd would counter Manny all night, right hand lead after right hand lead. The worst part is, is that Floyd is the bigger man so Manny's only hope would be to outbox him because he wouldn't be able push him around and rough him up.
Not disrespecting anyone's opinions. , just stating mine. as well as some facts, which you could find anywhere living in our beautiful era of instant search engines.
A post too good for this forum.
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When guys do not know what they are talking about.
Originally posted by 4Corners View PostWell Manny's last prime year was 2009, so even if it happened in 2010, I wouldn't have considered that a prime Floyd or Manny.
Shane had his chances to fight Floyd in 2005-2006, still not quite a prime Mosley, and we all know what happened.
Before all the supposed Floyd ducking Cotto talk.....Cotto ducked Floyd in 2005-2006, well at least Top Rank blocked that fight, facts.
Margarito is legit, Floyd could have fought Margarito. But in the grand scheme of things......that really doesn't mean much.
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