Comments Thread For: Judah: Matthysse a Much Harder Puncher Than Garcia

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Garcia deserves credit for the victory, but considering the fact that Khan is clearly not hard to hurt, I don't think it's a good argument to say something like "Garcia hits harder than Matthysse because he stopped Khan." It's clear he has power, but I don't think he's some KO artist who can plow through his opponents because I don't think he's that type of fighter, stylistically speaking. I don't think he should start believing in his power like we've seen others fighters do.

Who stopped Khan before Garcia did with exception to Prescott how many years ago? Lucas Matthysse has KO power but to guys that are not easily KO'd, he can't do it (Zab/Alexander) and he dropped both. I think Garcia is not solely relying on his power because in the fight with Zab he used the right more so than the left hook. Dude is a thinker in the ring and finds ways to be effective. He ain't no Rigondeaux or Mayweather but he uses what he got to get the job done. If Matthysse didn't finish Zab or Alexander I highly doubt he will finish Garcia because as we all witness the kid can take a punch. I feel (and this is my opinion) that Matthysse is being way over hyped than Garcia. Garica delivered in his big moments and Matthysse didn't. I'll wait till the Peterson match up before crowning Lucas Matthysse as Danny Garcia's worst nightmare.

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On Since 9/08/2012 Mathhysse became Garcia mandatory but Matthysse could lose that right if he beats Peterson.

Doesn't matter. If GB keeps their word the winner of Matthysse/PEDerson has to face Garcia. The whole tourney thing you know?


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How many times did Danny stun Judah with only grazing shots? They werent even flush power shots. Judah was fighting scared the whole fight. If he sensed that Danny's power wasnt really up to par, why didnt he exchange more with him? Hes just bitter.

I think you may be bitter with Judah saying this....
He never says Garcia can't punch, he is talking in comparison matthysse is the much harder puncher.

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Quote: Originally Posted by mathed I don't care what no one says........Matthysse hits harder than Garcia does. Dude has 31 of 33 wins by KO.....KO% of 86.11%. Garcia has a KO% of 61.54%. /thread While this is true,you also have to look at the caliber of Garcia's opponents his last 5 fights..While looking at the quality of Matt's opponents and if he stopped the opponents..Last 5 fights Garcia beats Matt's out in quality of opponent..No??

Caliber of the last 5 opponents? Really...? Did you just go there? When Matthysse aint stopping them he's dropping them, fact.

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Who stopped Khan before Garcia did with exception to Prescott how many years ago? Lucas Matthysse has KO power but to guys that are not easily KO'd, he can't do it (Zab/Alexander) and he dropped both. I think Garcia is not solely relying on his power because in the fight with Zab he used the right more so than the left hook. Dude is a thinker in the ring and finds ways to be effective. He ain't no Rigondeaux or Mayweather but he uses what he got to get the job done. If Matthysse didn't finish Zab or Alexander I highly doubt he will finish Garcia because as we all witness the kid can take a punch. I feel (and this is my opinion) that Matthysse is being way over hyped than Garcia. Garica delivered in his big moments and Matthysse didn't. I'll wait till the Peterson match up before crown Lucas Matthysse as Danny Garcia's worst nightmare.

I thought Garcia was gonna try and force a 4th round stoppage, but he fought patient which I liked. Maybe he was never planning to force it, just that he underestimated how much punishment Zab was gonna be able to absorb. He's also showing that he can throw his right hand in different ways. Does he get too wide sometimes? yes, and can he get wild at times? yes.

I'm just amped for Matthysse/Peterson and the match-up with Garcia that hopefully follows. Though he arguably beat Judah/Alexander, you're right that he wasn't able to officially get the nod which counts for something. Lucas has had to adjust his style, and now starts off a bit faster. He's gonna need to bring that exact mentality against Peterson to give him the most chance of getting the stoppage.

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Lol this thread should be interesting.

Btw i fully agree with you Zab, it was crazy that you 'beat' Matthysse.

Yep. Garcia is going to lose that '0' soon, and Lucas is just the man to take it.

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While this is true,you also have to look at the caliber of Garcia's opponents his last 5 fights..While looking at the quality of Matt's opponents and if he stopped the opponents..Last 5 fights Garcia beats Matt's out in quality of opponent..No??

Sure, lets look at the quality.

Garcia last 5 -
Judah, knocked out before, known for being chinny. Decision
Erik Morales, far removed from prime, has been TKO'd and KO'd before. KO
Khan, knocked out before, known for being chinny. TKO
Erik Morales, same **** that I said before. Decision
Nate Campbell, has been stopped twice, FAR past it. Decision

Lucas had 2 stay busy fights that I'm going to look past, if you don't mind.

Matthysse last 5 -
Dallas Jr, KO'd before. KO
Ajose Olusegun, undefeated, great punch resistance/boxing. TKO
Humberto Soto, known for being granite, never been stopped. KO
Devon Alexander, only loss to Timothy Bradley, contraversial loss, hurt him quite a few times.
Chop Chop Corley, Old, FAR FAR FAR past it, but durable. Put down 5 times before KO (body shots).

The caliber isn't all that different, honestly. The "value" of the opponents is different though.. as is their opponents abilities to take a punch. Lucas has actually shown his power against much more durable competition. Danny showing his power against Khan and Judah isn't all that impressive.

That being said, anyone debating the state of Judahs face in this fight versus in the Matthysse fight also have to realize Judah didn't have the bravery to stand and fight with Matthysse the way he did with Garcia either. Going by that logic, you can say he probably feared Lucas power much more.

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I thought Garcia was gonna try and force a 4th round stoppage, but he fought patient which I liked. Maybe he was never planning to force it, just that he underestimated how much punishment Zab was gonna be able to absorb. He's also showing that he can throw his right hand in different ways. Does he get too wide sometimes? yes, and can he get wild at times? yes.

I'm just amped for Matthysse/Peterson and the match-up with Garcia that hopefully follows. Though he arguably beat Judah/Alexander, you're right that he wasn't able to officially get the nod which counts for something. Lucas has had to adjust his style, and now starts off a bit faster. He's gonna need to bring that exact mentality against Peterson to give him the most chance of getting the stoppage.

Peterson got dropped by Ortiz at 140 twice and still got up to get a draw. Ortiz was/is a heavy hitter regardless of how nutty he is. Takes more than power to get Peterson out of there. Way to shut Peterson down and beat him is to box him. I like the way Bradley fought Peterson. He totally out matched him with movement and nutralized Peterson's pressure. Matthysse is not as good as Bradley technically or fast and will resort to his power. Will be an interesting fight.

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Peterson got dropped by Ortiz at 140 twice and still got up to get a draw. Ortiz was/is a heavy hitter regardless of how nutty he is. Takes more than power to get Peterson out of there. Way to shut Peterson down and beat him is to box him. I like the way Bradley fought Peterson. He totally out matched him with movement and nutralized Peterson's pressure. Matthysse is not as good as Bradley technically or fast and will resort to his power. Will be an interesting fight.

Actually, first 6 rounds were in a phone booth. Bradley was just better than Pete in EVERYTHING. He was better in the inside too. Finally when Peters inside game began to shine and he started winning in that area, Bradley had his movement for the second half of the fight to outbox Peterson.

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Peterson got dropped by Ortiz at 140 twice and still got up to get a draw. Ortiz was/is a heavy hitter regardless of how nutty he is. Takes more than power to get Peterson out of there. Way to shut Peterson down and beat him is to box him. I like the way Bradley fought Peterson. He totally out matched him with movement and nutralized Peterson's pressure. Matthysse is not as good as Bradley technically or fast and will resort to his power. Will be an interesting fight.

I think Matthysse is gonna have to beat Peterson at his own game, the inside game. Lucas has some boxing ability, but his game is to drag the opponent into the trenches and I think Peterson will be a willing participant. Somebody is gonna get hurt, and he who has more power and better conditioning will win. I might have to watch Bradley/Peterson again, but I remember thinking that Bradley was forced to box on the back foot because Lamont was starting to get the better of him on the inside. Power isn't everything, but I do think it will be the key in discouraging Pete from playing to his strength. We're also gonna see how Matts responds to being pressured, this is a really good styles clash.