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here's an excellent article from boxing.com's top 100 list - pac vs mayweather
#47 Floyd Mayweather (43-0)
#48 Manny Pacquiao (54-5-2)
In the introduction to Part Three I wrote that “should conservatism in boxing become the norm, much of the oxygen that allows greatness to burn is ****** from the room.” Is it reasonable to level at these two men, who hold eighteen different straps including seven lineal championships at a total of thirteen different divisions between them, accusations of conservatism in matchmaking? No. I cannot say that. Fans whinge endlessly about Floyd Mayweather “cherry picking” his opponents whilst the other camp gnashes their teeth about Manny Pacquiao “weight-draining” his opponents in a series of catchweight bouts, but these men have both fought some of the very best fighters of their era.
But they haven’t fought each other.
I am not interested in the reasons why. Was Pacquiao’s ducking blood tests the reason or did Mayweather’s determination to duck Pacquiao just render that a handy excuse? We will never know for sure and I don’t care. My job is to analyze the legacy of the two men and rank them in relation to others. Their failure to meet is of interest, however, because if they had fought a pair it would have changed the rankings of both men more than any other series imaginable. Say Pacquiao had beaten Mayweather twice—he then becomes the unfettered #1 for this era with a domination of a fellow and primed all-time great under his belt and is thereby catapulted up this list whilst Mayweather drops to the lower reaches. As it stands, they are ranked almost together, as they were through much of the past decade, with Mayweather slightly higher, just as he was for much of that time. Both were ranked on the pound-for-pound list between 2003 and 2013, with Mayweather ranked higher for most of six of these years and Pacquiao ranking higher for most of four, despite Mayweather’s yearlong “retirement.”
If that seems an arbitrary way to judge them, it needn’t. It is obviously desperately close between them and they themselves had the chance to separate one from the other in terms of skill and legacy but declined—the fans are the big losers and for boxing it is the most embarrassing low blow since the abolishment of the color line. Mayweather’s slight advantage in longevity on the P4P list plus a sneaking su****ion on my part that he was better by a hair is, tragically, all I have to separate them.
There was enough oxygen in beating a series of top men and one another’s leftovers but not enough to see them fulfill that dramatic potential, and with that fight now rendered all but meaningless by Pacquiao’s destruction at the hands of Juan Manuel Marquez, only extreme longevity or a surprising leap to middleweight on the part of Floyd Mayweather will see these two modern giants trouble the top twenty in the way their fans would wish.
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The whole "call me out" thing is ghay... A real p4p KING will respond to what the boxing public wants... in 08 the boxing public was calling for Cotto V Floyd. Cotto on several occasions mentions Floyd and even said " I can't force him to fight me..." The Fact remains, Floyd was in position to fight ANYBODY and he chose Baldomir...
Sorry man, I can't sit here and let you pretend Mayweather wanted to fight Cotto but was just waiting for Cotto to "call him out." < This is a ghay need in a man sport. "Call me out!!!!" Cotto was clear he wanted ALL the big names and when asked about Floyd he made it clear he would fight Floyd. Cotto is too smart to kiss Mayweather's ass... Pacquiao has been calling Floyd out now for over a year... Floyd, where are you?
Calling out is a WWF thing. Also, WHEN did Floyd Call Cotto out? Oh yeah, Cotto "too green" and "lived too far."Comment
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Steadfastly agree with this man.I will just get to the point. Floyd is the biggest ***** boxing has ever seen. PERIOD. It's amazing how much we as fans will blindly back a dude cause he drank G**** Kool Aid once too... You are not being honest with yourself. Cotto has always been the type of guy to fight ANYBODY. In fact, he is fighting Margarito tomorrow... and he wants to fight Manny again. Floyd won't even fight Manny ONE time. Please... You are not fooling anyone and neither is Floyd. The dude is a psychological coward as Arum once pointed out.
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if your best win is diego corrales , its kinda futile to debate ATG scenarios.
thats why logical floyd fans stays out of these types of thread.. while emotional fanatics cringe-ly march to war.
even the rigo win over donaire has some good grounds for debate against any of floyds fights.
you can start from there.Last edited by stormfroe; 04-17-2013, 08:59 PM.Comment
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It's weird because Pacquiao has the better resume, but H2H a lot of people favour Floyd.
However, i'll have to stick with Pacquiao being higher. It's a bit like the Vitali v Wlad thing. Wlad has the better resume, but prime for prime, a lot of people favour Vitali over Wlad H2H.
Ofc, Floyd can overtake Pac, but if he continues this trend of low-risk fights, it'll haunt him.Comment
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