Can Donaire Beat the Same Version of Rigondeaux in a rematch?

[waxfondler]

TR has matched him in with good opponents that usually find Nonito and when doing so walk into a left. This time Nonito had to do the finding and he just wasnt good enough to do it.

i think its more of rigo didnt GIVE him anything to work off of. and it was brilliant. rigo's speed was ridiculous and footwork was impressive.

[viperz007]

I'll entertain the thought.

A good lead right is a great weapon to have against a southpaw.

From the sounds of things, Donaire has had a bad right shoulder for a minute that he is going need surgery for.

If they rematch at 126, we shall see.

Who knows what lies in the future.

the thing though is i think donaire is a left handed fighter using a right hand stance
so it will be hard for him to do a lead right
and thats one reason why people dont see him do a lead right coz his left handed

his suppose to be doin lead left

[richardt]

No. Styles make fights and Rigo's style is all wrong for Donaire to capitalize on.

[The Big Dunn]

great post... i see where youre going with here, but i think 'nito got more facets to his game than he showed against rigo.

simply put, rigo MADE 'nito look horrible. i dont think it was that 'nito was always a limited fighter, that only takes away credit from rigo for what he did. 'nito is a top notch fighter, and rigo schooled him. period.

rigo was unwilling to let 'nito get his offense going, at the risk of looking like he "ran" all night... all the pressure was on 'nito. the fans, the hype, the promotion was there for DONAIRE. he had to deliver with a level of activity... rigo fought selfish and stunk it out, but got the well-needed and deserved win.

think about it, what if donaire stuck to his guns and played the counterpuncher.... forcing rigo to initiate action, giving 'nito more chance to land. there wouldve been NO action... BOTH wouldve been booed out of the venue... it was a battle of wills, and 'nito crumbled and fought out of character. VERY similar to floyd/jmm... someones got to give, or there is no fight.

great fights happen when BOTH fighters give & take... like rios/alvarado I & pac/jmm IV

a great fighter can deal with all styles of opponents. I think the pressure is on the opponent not the star.

Rigo didn't fight selfish-he boxed. Truly great fighters like duran and chavez all fought boxers but they knew how to cut off the ring and worked the body to nuetralize their opponent. Nonito couldnt do this.

Once Nonito saw what rigo was doing he shouldve adapted. Crowd booing isnt an excuse. The lack of action was Nonito, not rigo. Nonito felt those punches and simply didnt want to get hit so he stood and waited to land one punch. His inactivity was his ONLY defense.

In the post Tyson era alot of fans are enamored with power. Here on NSB its to the extreme. Nonito destroyed very good opponents but none of them made Nonito work on the skills he lacked.

[Market]

I actually think alot of you are wrong in believing rigo schools donaire 10/10 times. I believe that donaire was a victim of his own success and didn't really study rigo like he should have. He went into the fight believing that he would catch him easily and ko him sooner or later like he has done all recent previous opponents. If any of you are true boxing fans and have watched donaire enough, you would know that donaire is a counter puncher, so him trying to lead on top of him just looking for a homerun punch against a slick defensive counter puncher wasn't going to work. Unfortunately for donaire he wasn't prepared with a plan b, c, etc. rigo was slick and all the feints and movements both were doing just worked in rigo's favor. I don't think rigo's punching power really bothered donaire until the end of the fight, donaire just looked a lot slower then normal. I do believe rigo is a tad bit faster and quicker then donaire, but overall donaire can adjust to that with timing. I also believe he did have a hard time making weight, judging by previous fights where he is actually pretty quick with jumping in and out, he didn't do that at all in this fight, and he didn't cut off the ring because he didn't have that in a game plan.

Overall, with coming in at a comfortable weight, and by knowing what to expect from rigo the fight will definitely be different. Rigo is gonna fight the same way 10/10 yes but donaire has the skills and is capable of adjusting with correct game plan and knowing what to expect this time around. I'm not buying the shoulder thing, but I will buy the weight issue and lack of time with robert garcia.

[NearHypnos]

The fight was a little too one sided for me to see it any other way. Donaire tried to adjust but Rigo would basically shut that adjustment down even worse. The more Donaire struggled and tried to adjust, the more Rigo took away from him. It's crazy. Donaire basically fell into quicksand and no matter what he tried he just made Rigo shut that out too. Donaire tried feinting, jabbing, using the right hand, etc. Donaire is fast but Rigo's timing is crazy AND he's faster. There's spots where normally the fighters would have exchanged punches the way theyd lean in..and Rigo would lean towards the right and then somehow slither his head further and completely avoid being touched while getting his off. A few times Donaire would throw the right low and to the left where Rigo would normally lean into it, but Rigo would snap his body in a different direction or lean even further to avoid it, hook him with the right and retain dominant footing. I love Gacia but I am not sure Garcia could provide the type of plan for Rigo. The longer the fight went the worse Rigo was making him look.

[The Gambler1981]

No for all his talent he doesn't have the ability to apply it in a way to beat Rigondeaux.

He has the curse of a talented fighter, he was so good he didn't have to learn the best way to utilize his abilities he just won because he was so talented and it didn't matter what he was really trying to do it worked. However there comes a point when you need to use your talent properly or you won't win and since he never needed to even think that way he never developed in that way.

Now it is most likely much to late for him to really change that.

[CubanGuyNYC]

a great fighter can deal with all styles of opponents. I think the pressure is on the opponent not the star.

Rigo didn't fight selfish-he boxed. Truly great fighters like duran and chavez all fought boxers but they knew how to cut off the ring and worked the body to nuetralize their opponent. Nonito couldnt do this.

Once Nonito saw what rigo was doing he shouldve adapted. Crowd booing isnt an excuse. The lack of action was Nonito, not rigo. Nonito felt those punches and simply didnt want to get hit so he stood and waited to land one punch. His inactivity was his ONLY defense.

In the post Tyson era alot of fans are enamored with power. Here on NSB its to the extreme. Nonito destroyed very good opponents but none of them made Nonito work on the skills he lacked.

Great post. I agree with everything, especially the bold. Green K.

Muhammad Ali danced and flicked a jab for years. Ali would move in for the kill only after his opponent was sufficiently worn down. Some people didn't like his style, but it was much more accepted then. Nowadays only the hardcore fans seem to appreciate a skilled boxer.

The people criticizing Rigo don't seem to understand that Donaire was even less active than Guillermo. The reason is because, every time Nonito tried engaging, he got the short end of the stick. Had Donaire been more active, he might've been KOed. Judging by the look of Nonito's face at the end of the fight, you'd think "El Chacal's" punch-output was five times higher than it actually was.

[Suavecito80]

I actually think alot of you are wrong in believing rigo schools donaire 10/10 times. I believe that donaire was a victim of his own success and didn't really study rigo like he should have. He went into the fight believing that he would catch him easily and ko him sooner or later like he has done all recent previous opponents. If any of you are true boxing fans and have watched donaire enough, you would know that donaire is a counter puncher, so him trying to lead on top of him just looking for a homerun punch against a slick defensive counter puncher wasn't going to work. Unfortunately for donaire he wasn't prepared with a plan b, c, etc. rigo was slick and all the feints and movements both were doing just worked in rigo's favor. I don't think rigo's punching power really bothered donaire until the end of the fight, donaire just looked a lot slower then normal. I do believe rigo is a tad bit faster and quicker then donaire, but overall donaire can adjust to that with timing. I also believe he did have a hard time making weight, judging by previous fights where he is actually pretty quick with jumping in and out, he didn't do that at all in this fight, and he didn't cut off the ring because he didn't have that in a game plan.

Overall, with coming in at a comfortable weight, and by knowing what to expect from rigo the fight will definitely be different. Rigo is gonna fight the same way 10/10 yes but donaire has the skills and is capable of adjusting with correct game plan and knowing what to expect this time around. I'm not buying the shoulder thing, but I will buy the weight issue and lack of time with robert garcia.

All I see is excuses. You sound worse than nonoto.

[CubanGuyNYC]

The fight was a little too one sided for me to see it any other way. Donaire tried to adjust but Rigo would basically shut that adjustment down even worse. The more Donaire struggled and tried to adjust, the more Rigo took away from him. It's crazy. Donaire basically fell into quicksand and no matter what he tried he just made Rigo shut that out too. Donaire tried feinting, jabbing, using the right hand, etc. Donaire is fast but Rigo's timing is crazy AND he's faster. There's spots where normally the fighters would have exchanged punches the way theyd lean in..and Rigo would lean towards the right and then somehow slither his head further and completely avoid being touched while getting his off. A few times Donaire would throw the right low and to the left where Rigo would normally lean into it, but Rigo would snap his body in a different direction or lean even further to avoid it, hook him with the right and retain dominant footing. I love Gacia but I am not sure Garcia could provide the type of plan for Rigo. The longer the fight went the worse Rigo was making him look.

Another nice post. I agree, once again. Green K.

I believe Rigo beats Donaire 10/10 times. This is coming from a guy that gave Nonito the edge going into the fight. I saw the bout live and I was astounded at how easily Guillermo handled a top P4P fighter in Donaire. It was no contest. What's truly crazy is, I believe "El Chacal" had another gear left. He's a special fighter.