Floyd's Style Vs Guerrero

[daggum]

It wasn't even that good then~ because none of those dudes distanced them self. Over rated would be what I would call 147 from that period in hindsight~

I didn't say Guerrero was on Manny's level, Manny is actually a great fighter. I said he was on Margarito's which would imply that in history they are both a dime a dozen~. Margarito is not on a level with Manny either so cut that shit right now.

yeah but you are wrong. how are they on the same level? do you ignore all facts.

margarito ranked #1 for over 4 years. guerrero's highest ranking #3 for a couple months.
margarito beat 6 top 10 ranked fighters. guerrero beat 1.
margarito won the wbo, ibf, and wba belts during his reign on top. guerrero won the interim wbc belt(aka nothing)
margarito beat 6 former or current champs. guerrero beat 1.

[The Gambler1981]

being ranked #1 for 4 years isn't accomplishing much? beating 6 top 10 fighters isn't accomplishing much? did guerrero or ortiz do those things? how can you pretend that margarito wasn't a legit fight then turn around and say guerrero is legit. oh the division sucks so floyd gets a pass. um no he doesn't because when the division was full of talent he "retired" this is called cherry picking.

Doesn't it matter who you beat? I am pretty sure you dog guys who do things for long times that didn't do anything special in your eyes~. How I view things is much different than you, you are the one that need to reconcile your beliefs on Margarito being this special fighter and dogging all these other guys who did at least as good.

I never said Margarito wasn't legit, I just don't think he is that important a guy. It was a reasonable fight to take place but that doesn't mean it needed to happen either. Guerrero is the same if Floyd didn't fight him not a big deal, he is fighting him cool, he should win. Here is the thing though Floyd wasn't going to fight those guys anyways, he was lined up for an Oscar rematch Oscar low balled him so Floyd retired to try and gain leverage why would he retire to avoid guys he wasn't going to be fighting anyways~

You need to keep on the ball and read what I am saying, you clearly don't get my view at all and keep saying things that I am not implying.

[The Gambler1981]

yeah but you are wrong. how are they on the same level? do you ignore all facts.

margarito ranked #1 for over 4 years. guerrero's highest ranking #3 for a couple months.
margarito beat 6 top 10 ranked fighters. guerrero beat 1.
margarito won the wbo, ibf, and wba belts during his reign on top. guerrero won the interim wbc belt(aka nothing)
margarito beat 6 former or current champs. guerrero beat 1.

Who did Margarito beat in those years bring up their names~ none of them are impressive champions with the notable exception of Cotto which has it's own question marks, which is why you are bringing up stats but not the information that lies behind. You literally can not shoot straight and you are probably the most intellectually dishonest person on this whole forum.

Calzaghe had a better career than Margarito~ and how many former, current, future champs has Floyd beat 22? Former, current or future 147 champs would be 7?

So you can just pick and choose when these stats are meaningful?

[Merciless1]

To be honest (no disrespect to Guerrero) I think Floyd beats the dog shit out of Robert. No matter what type of fight it turns out to be, inside or outside. Just a feeling I've had. Could be wrong though, but thats the vibe I've been getting as of late.

[daggum]

Who did Margarito beat in those years bring up their names~ none of them are impressive champions with the notable exception of Cotto which has it's own question marks, which is why you are bringing up stats but not the information that lies behind. You literally can not shoot straight and you are probably the most intellectually dishonest person on this whole forum.

Calzaghe had a better career than Margarito~ and how many former, current, future champs has Floyd beat 22? Former, current or future 147 champs would be 7?

So you can just pick and choose when these stats are meaningful?

who's an impressive champion according to you? zab judah? he went 1-5 against ranked fighters at ww. baldomir? a journeyman before and after he beat judah. margarito beat much better competition than them. clottey beat the crap outta judah and margarito beat him. cotto beat the crap outta judah and margarito beat him. margarito is the only person to ever cleanly beat sergio martinez. margarito won 3 belts. antonio diaz beat cory spinks, cintron was an undefeated champ, lewis was a highly ranked former champ, manual gomez was coming off a ko win over undefeated kofi jantuah(who beat rubio and santos) pretty good accomplishments. you seem to focus too much on names. wow zab judah he's popular, he must be good! oh wait look at his resume at ww and no he's not very good.

[The Gambler1981]

who's an impressive champion according to you? zab judah? he went 1-5 against ranked fighters at ww. baldomir? a journeyman before and after he beat judah. margarito beat much better competition than them. clottey beat the crap outta judah and margarito beat him. cotto beat the crap outta judah and margarito beat him. margarito is the only person to ever cleanly beat sergio martinez. margarito won 3 belts. antonio diaz beat cory spinks, cintron was an undefeated champ, lewis was a highly ranked former champ, manual gomez was coming off a ko win over undefeated kofi jantuah(who beat rubio and santos) pretty good accomplishments. you seem to focus too much on names. wow zab judah he's popular, he must be good! oh wait look at his resume at ww and no he's not very good.

Martinez wasn't Martinez at that point, Lewis was washed up, what is Clottey's record in big fights? Cintron? ******* Gomez? Antonio Diaz who nobody ever bring up when talking about Shane Mosley?

To me that is just riff raff, that never really amounted to much~

And you seem much more focused on Judah than me because you mentioned him what 5 times and I haven't uttered his name once.

Judah, Baldomir, Hatton, De La Hoya (at 154 but former 147 champ), Ortiz, Mosley and Cotto (at 154 but former champ at 147)

Is better than

Cotto, Clottey, Cintron, Lewis, Gomez, Diaz, green Martinez especially when I knock off points for loosing to Williams and getting absolutely smashed by an aged Mosley.

Floyd also did more at 154 which is real sad when you consider where they both started~

[The Gambler1981]

I done though, this has nothing to do with my original point nor do I care to debate further such an intellectually dishonest person~

[The Evil 1-2]

who's an impressive champion according to you? zab judah? he went 1-5 against ranked fighters at ww. baldomir? a journeyman before and after he beat judah. margarito beat much better competition than them. clottey beat the crap outta judah and margarito beat him. cotto beat the crap outta judah and margarito beat him. margarito is the only person to ever cleanly beat sergio martinez. margarito won 3 belts. antonio diaz beat cory spinks, cintron was an undefeated champ, lewis was a highly ranked former champ, manual gomez was coming off a ko win over undefeated kofi jantuah(who beat rubio and santos) pretty good accomplishments. you seem to focus too much on names. wow zab judah he's popular, he must be good! oh wait look at his resume at ww and no he's not very good.

I don't know why you continually try to peddle this fallacy that FMJ ducked Margarito. You've been doing this for years

Around the time that FMJ supposedly ducked Margarito, he chose to fight De La Hoya at a higher weight class. De La Hoya was the TOUGHER FIGHT AND GAVE THE BIGGER PAYDAY.

You failed to adequately respond to these points in our debate years ago on this dead horse of a topic...

Don't take my word for it, look at the journalistic research conducted by Dan Rafael-

"Arum said Mayweather preferred to await the outcome of the May 6 Oscar De La Hoya-Ricardo Mayorga fight instead of committing to Margarito because he would prefer to fight De La Hoya.

"We're not sitting waiting on De La Hoya," Ellerbe said. "He's in a tough, tough fight with Mayorga."

Many in the sport believe a De La Hoya-Mayweather fight is the biggest fight on the horizon and the only one capable of generating 1 million-plus buys on pay-per-view.

The reason Mayweather opted for the buyout rather than waiting for the May 6 result was because the contract had a limited window for the buyout, one that expired before the De La Hoya fight. However, Arum said he would have extended the window if Mayweather had asked. What Arum wouldn't do, he said, was raise the guarantees for other fights outlined in the contract.

Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million.

Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn't interested in participating in.

"That's not in the cards," Arum said. "He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It's not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. We'll talk about things down the road."-Dan Rafael

[boxingfan4life]

I think guerrero will put on a better fight then people think. At the end of the day I still see Floyd using his overall superior skill and defense to win the fight. Everybody is talking about Guerreros size advantage, but floyd has beaten fighters that have come into the ring 10-12 pounds heavier then him. So I dont understand why folks are seein guerreros size as his best advantage. I guess its because that all he has going for him.

[boxingfan4life]

Also the fact that he is a southpaw helps i guess. The fighters that have gotten the most flush shots on Floyd have been southpaws.