Comments Thread For: Team Martinez: Golovkin, Geale Possible - Who is Quillin?

[MurkaMan]

Again you take yourself way to seriously and no I did not watch the videos. But you are free to believe that I did, I will still sleep well tonight. And why do you need someone else to voice your opinion?

I also never stated my opinion on Pascal or Cloud. But, you are free to keep imagining you know what I am thinking. See I told you that you take yourself to seriously. I don't have to do that with you because you have called them all bums. So, it is pretty clear to see were you stand.

It is also no surprise that you have contradicted yourself once again. Because I could have sworn that you stated that Junior wasn't that good and now he has morphed into a great pressure fighter? Why because he can pressure B level fighters?

As far as his size advantage I personally believe the rules need to be changed. But in Juniors case it simply proves to me one thing, and that is that his power is as overrated as he happens to be.

In closing I know that I am going to say something that will ruffle feathers. But, I have said it before and I will stand by it. And that is I believe your boy Sergio, and I enjoy watching him fight and count myself as a fan, is also highly overrated.

And STILL no reply to the short films I posted for you.

And what I say, is not an opinion, its a fact that Bhop stayed in a weak division, refused to move up, and made guys move up in weight.

You dont have to state your opinion on Cloud and Pascal. Although its not looking to well, I will go out on a limb and say that you somewhat know boxing. If you do, then obviously you know they arent skilled. Their just guys with power.

What makes Junior a credible foe is his size, as I have stated time and time agaiine! He IS a good pressure fighter, but I ALSO stated that he didnt start improving until a few fights before Martinez. Martinez was looking bad in his fights, and some where worried that he was getting old, and Chavez's size would be a problem. Martinez was a beast on fight night.

I never spoke too much about Junior's power, but what I will say is that its not so much his power, its his size. A guy that size will put some major pain on someone. We have to remember, Martinez has a stellar chin. He was destroyed by Chavez Jr. Not a balance punch like Pav and Pwillio. But a real serious punch. No way can GGG survive 7 rounds.


You say Sergio is overrated, but that will not ruffle any feathers. Your entitled to your own opinion.(But when I say something that is FACT about Bhop, your feather's get ruffled.) To ME he(SM) is underrated, and some people act like he overwhelms his opponents with speed advantage. Thats not true. He was at his best against a guy who was a cruiserweight, walked him down, and his ranging was PHENOMENAL. His headmovement was STELLAR. His accuracy, countering, punch variety, ability to face adversity, then come back with a 14 punch combo to steal the play away, is AWESOME. I like the way he gets arrogant in the ring, and yells at his opponents. SCARY SHIET!!! Maravillia is BEAST!!!

[Ravens Fan]

And STILL no reply to the short films I posted for you.

And what I say, is not an opinion, its a fact that Bhop stayed in a weak division, refused to move up, and made guys move up in weight.

You dont have to state your opinion on Cloud and Pascal. Although its not looking to well, I will go out on a limb and say that you somewhat know boxing. If you do, then obviously you know they arent skilled. Their just guys with power.

What makes Junior a credible foe is his size, as I have stated time and time agaiine! He IS a good pressure fighter, but I ALSO stated that he didnt start improving until a few fights before Martinez. Martinez was looking bad in his fights, and some where worried that he was getting old, and Chavez's size would be a problem. Martinez was a beast on fight night.

I never spoke too much about Junior's power, but what I will say is that its not so much his power, its his size. A guy that size will put some major pain on someone. We have to remember, Martinez has a stellar chin. He was destroyed by Chavez Jr. Not a balance punch like Pav and Pwillio. But a real serious punch. No way can GGG survive 7 rounds.


You say Sergio is overrated, but that will not ruffle any feathers. Your entitled to your own opinion.(But when I say something that is FACT about Bhop, your feather's get ruffled.) To ME he(SM) is underrated, and some people act like he overwhelms his opponents with speed advantage. Thats not true. He was at his best against a guy who was a cruiserweight, walked him down, and his ranging was PHENOMENAL. His headmovement was STELLAR. His accuracy, countering, punch variety, ability to face adversity, then come back with a 14 punch combo to steal the play away, is AWESOME. I like the way he gets arrogant in the ring, and yells at his opponents. SCARY SHIET!!! Maravillia is BEAST!!!

I did not watch the videos and that really annoys you for some reason. Let me make it clear I don't care about the videos and therefor I have no desire to watch them. You also don't ruffle me. I just honestly think, for what ever reason, that you are a bit obsessed with Hopkins. I also don't know why I bother but what the hell its late and I am not tired yet.

You say that Bhop stayed in a weak division as if he stayed and did nothing. When in reality he had what 20 defenses and unified not one not two but all four belts within the middleweight division against some pretty decent fighters.

And who did he wait to move up Trinidad and Oscar? Both of whom moved up and won belts before Bhop fought them. And the last time I checked they were pretty good fighters who happened to still be in their prime when Bhop fought them and unified the belts.

Bhop than lost a very controversial decision to Taylor and fought him again and than guess what.? Unlike what you have claimed he moved up and beat the man at light heavyweight and won the Ring belt in the process. Who do think he should have fought Clinton Woods?

He than beat the lineal middleweight champ and fought the best Super Middle at the time in Calzaghe. Than he goes after the belt holders at LH. As I already stated I don't know why I have wasted my time because you already know all of this. But just to remind you all that all happened after he had turned 40. I would say that is pretty impressive by anyone's standard even if he did plan it that way.

As far as Chavez and Sergio are concerned. It really is simple, I am of the opinion that Junior gets way to much credit for beating Lee and Sergio gets way to much credit for beating Junior. And you really believe Sergio has and iron chin? I believe he has been down in just about ever fight I have watched.

[285Kid]

Good after #9 , go after #2 or #4 keep fighting those top 10 guys Martinez

[mathed]

Good after #9 , go after #2 or #4 keep fighting those top 10 guys Martinez

Funny...he has fought and beaten more top 10 mw's than anyone else on that list...make sure you extend your criticism to the rest of those "top guys" too (unless I completely misinterpreted your post, which I may have). Add in Williams and Pavlik too since they were top 10 when cowardly Martinez moved up in weight and fought them as well.

No one else on that list has more than one win against a top 10 guy..in fact most are there without ever facing a top 10 guy.

[MurkaMan]

I did not watch the videos and that really annoys you for some reason. Let me make it clear I don't care about the videos and therefor I have no desire to watch them. You also don't ruffle me. I just honestly think, for what ever reason, that you are a bit obsessed with Hopkins. I also don't know why I bother but what the hell its late and I am not tired yet.

You say that Bhop stayed in a weak division as if he stayed and did nothing. When in reality he had what 20 defenses and unified not one not two but all four belts within the middleweight division against some pretty decent fighters.

And who did he wait to move up Trinidad and Oscar? Both of whom moved up and won belts before Bhop fought them. And the last time I checked they were pretty good fighters who happened to still be in their prime when Bhop fought them and unified the belts.

Bhop than lost a very controversial decision to Taylor and fought him again and than guess what.? Unlike what you have claimed he moved up and beat the man at light heavyweight and won the Ring belt in the process. Who do think he should have fought Clinton Woods?

He than beat the lineal middleweight champ and fought the best Super Middle at the time in Calzaghe. Than he goes after the belt holders at LH. As I already stated I don't know why I have wasted my time because you already know all of this. But just to remind you all that all happened after he had turned 40. I would say that is pretty impressive by anyone's standard even if he did plan it that way.

As far as Chavez and Sergio are concerned. It really is simple, I am of the opinion that Junior gets way to much credit for beating Lee and Sergio gets way to much credit for beating Junior. And you really believe Sergio has and iron chin? I believe he has been down in just about ever fight I have watched.

And STILL no reply to the videos that I posted. You say you dont care about things that I post then how can we even have a debate? When you ignore some of the best things that I post? Your picking and choosing comments to avoid, and respond to.

You say Im obsessed with Hoppa? I have nothing against him, I already gave him credit. I just said he stayed in weak divisions, and fought guys that were coming up in which you JUST admitted to.

You even said Oscar and Trinidad where good, primed opponents in which I AGREE with. Just about everyone he fought was a legit choice in which I keep repeating. But they were moving up in weight.

Bhop is Bhop. He is calculated in who he picks to fight, he doesnt boldy fight anyone. Anyone who knows boxing knows this. Oh but since you hate the fact that I have humiliated you in so many debates, you will PRETEND that you feel Bhop is some warrior all of a sudden, and just go against what I say when you already knows he cherrypicks the right situations? I will not be blinded by the ph.uckery!

You say Chavez gets too much credit for beating Lee? Thats funny because everyone expected him to get outboxed since he was looked at as a "Bum". He showboated and put on a show.

You said you dont think Martinez has an iron Chin, because he been dropped a few? But he got up everytime he was dropped, and always goes to another level when he faces adversity! He lost to Pwill, then instantly KO'd him in the rematch. He got his nose broken by Barker, and instantly busted his eardrum, getting a stoppage. Anytime Chavez had success, Martinez started to beat the crap out of him while yelling at him.

Martinez is more so a complete fighter. Bhop is more of a soft kind of guy. He will cry and complain, fake injuries to avoid beatdowns. We saw how he avoided Chad, and when he actually fought him, he faked an injury to get out of the fight. Bhop isnt a warrior. But here are some short films for you to watch and respond to!

7:00 Mark Ravino Stop ducking and dodging.

[Ravens Fan]

And STILL no reply to the videos that I posted. You say you dont care about things that I post then how can we even have a debate? When you ignore some of the best things that I post? Your picking and choosing comments to avoid, and respond to.

You say Im obsessed with Hoppa? I have nothing against him, I already gave him credit. I just said he stayed in weak divisions, and fought guys that were coming up in which you JUST admitted to.

You even said Oscar and Trinidad where good, primed opponents in which I AGREE with. Just about everyone he fought was a legit choice in which I keep repeating. But they were moving up in weight.

Bhop is Bhop. He is calculated in who he picks to fight, he doesnt boldy fight anyone. Anyone who knows boxing knows this. Oh but since you hate the fact that I have humiliated you in so many debates, you will PRETEND that you feel Bhop is some warrior all of a sudden, and just go against what I say when you already knows he cherrypicks the right situations? I will not be blinded by the ph.uckery!

You say Chavez gets too much credit for beating Lee? Thats funny because everyone expected him to get outboxed since he was looked at as a "Bum". He showboated and put on a show.

You said you dont think Martinez has an iron Chin, because he been dropped a few? But he got up everytime he was dropped, and always goes to another level when he faces adversity! He lost to Pwill, then instantly KO'd him in the rematch. He got his nose broken by Barker, and instantly busted his eardrum, getting a stoppage. Anytime Chavez had success, Martinez started to beat the crap out of him while yelling at him.

Martinez is more so a complete fighter. Bhop is more of a soft kind of guy. He will cry and complain, fake injuries to avoid beatdowns. We saw how he avoided Chad, and when he actually fought him, he faked an injury to get out of the fight. Bhop isnt a warrior. But here are some short films for you to watch and respond to!

7:00 Mark Ravino Stop ducking and dodging.

Humiliated? As I said before you take yourself way to seriously and I don't care about watching some video. If you can't say it yourself on the forum than don't say it that is your choice and I feel no need to respond. What is it with those videos? I am starting to believe that you must receive royalties from people watching them. I also don't care if you feel as if you have out debated. I truly don't and more power to you.

What I do feel is that it is absolutely ridiculous that you have picked apart Bhop's entire career and than say that he is still been fighting elite fighters and that he has a great resume. I don't think you really believe that. Because if you did why waste so much of your time trying to downplay his entire resume.

As for Trinidad and Oscar they had already moved up and won middleweight belts and then they both fought unification bouts with Bhop. Which I believe should be what ever champion should aspire to do and Bhop did it and you still want to complain about it. That really makes no sense in my opinion because Bhop really should be applauded for unifying the belts and it seems to be just plain ole hate on your part.

Bhop was also the first to beat a in his prime Trinidad and Felix was actually favored to win the fight. He was also the first to stop Oscar who came in at 155 while Bhop came in at 156. Wow, what a mountain it he had to be to climb for a prime Oscar to get to 155? I cannot imagine the training and the hardships Oscar must of endured to move up 1 whole pound. My god it must have been near impossible for him to pull it off.

You are also trying to say what I think again. Simply put, I have never called Bhop a warrior. Because once again I don't like him. I don't like his style I believe he is boring and at times a very dirty fighter. I honestly have a hard time watching his fights because of how I feel about him. With that said, that still doesn't mean that I will pick apart his Hall of Fame worthy resume for some twisted agenda as I fell you have been doing.

As far as Junior and Lee are concerned. I actually believe that Rubio is a much better fighter than Lee and that isn't saying much. And you are free to continue to believe that a couple of overprotected as well as overrated fighters are truly elite. I just don't happen to agree with you. Now you can move on so you can go out of your way in an attempt to convince some of the other forum members of how great your are, Bye!

[MurkaMan]

Humiliated? As I said before you take yourself way to seriously and I don't care about watching some video. If you can't say it yourself on the forum than don't say it that is your choice and I feel no need to respond. What is it with those videos? I am starting to believe that you must receive royalties from people watching them. I also don't care if you feel as if you have out debated. I truly don't and more power to you.

What I do feel is that it is absolutely ridiculous that you have picked apart Bhop's entire career and than say that he is still been fighting elite fighters and that he has a great resume. I don't think you really believe that. Because if you did why waste so much of your time trying to downplay his entire resume.

As for Trinidad and Oscar they had already moved up and won middleweight belts and then they both fought unification bouts with Bhop. Which I believe should be what ever champion should aspire to do and Bhop did it and you still want to complain about it. That really makes no sense in my opinion because Bhop really should be applauded for unifying the belts and it seems to be just plain ole hate on your part.

Bhop was also the first to beat a in his prime Trinidad and Felix was actually favored to win the fight. He was also the first to stop Oscar who came in at 155 while Bhop came in at 156. Wow, what a mountain it he had to be to climb for a prime Oscar to get to 155? I cannot imagine the training and the hardships Oscar must of endured to move up 1 whole pound. My god it must have been near impossible for him to pull it off.

You are also trying to say what I think again. Simply put, I have never called Bhop a warrior. Because once again I don't like him. I don't like his style I believe he is boring and at times a very dirty fighter. I honestly have a hard time watching his fights because of how I feel about him. With that said, that still doesn't mean that I will pick apart his Hall of Fame worthy resume for some twisted agenda as I fell you have been doing.

As far as Junior and Lee are concerned. I actually believe that Rubio is a much better fighter than Lee and that isn't saying much. And you are free to continue to believe that a couple of overprotected as well as overrated fighters are truly elite. I just don't happen to agree with you. Now you can move on so you can go out of your way in an attempt to convince some of the other forum members of how great your are, Bye!

I aint try to downplay his resume at ALL. I been saying the same thing this whole time. He has a legit resume. He just chose opponents that he felt he could beat which you already know. But your biased for your fighters, and for your situations.

If you feel that your in the mood to go against me, then you will pretend that you feel this way or that way, and make a whole argument about it. You did the same thing when we talked about Haye and Vitali. Then afterward, you ADMITTED that you were being biased for Vitali and just arguing because you hate Haye.

Im not a fan of Bhop, but I give him props for his resume, and the clever sneaky way he put it together. Fighting guys moving up in weight, but of course they were still legit opponents. They were just asterisk next to the victories as well.

Bhop did good fighting little Oscar and Little Trinidad. He did wonderful.

Bhop stayed in a weak division so he could outdo Hagler, and get into the Hall of Fame. This is a known fact. He was smart about it. His resume deserves a Hall nod. He did what he had to do. But he was cherrypicking.

We all saw how he ducked Chad for all those years, faked the injury to get out of the fight, and was forced to fight him both times. Ward wont let Hoppa manipulate him into thinking that just because their friends, they shouldnt fight. I wanna see that fight, and I think on paper Hop has a better chance than he feels. But realistically Ward is so mystifying, I think he will find a way to dominate.

And its funny all the things people have been saying about Lee and Chavez. On that article about Chavez trying to fight Barker, everyone was saying the same things they were saying last year; That Chavez was impressive in not only fighting certain fighters but dominating them. Its so crazy how boxing fans change their minds when they want to win an argument. But we know how biased you are. I havent forgotten the Haye Vitali discussions you and me have had! You admitted allot, in them! Tnx. Nice Tlk

[Ravens Fan]

I aint try to downplay his resume at ALL. I been saying the same thing this whole time. He has a legit resume. He just chose opponents that he felt he could beat which you already know. But your biased for your fighters, and for your situations.

If you feel that your in the mood to go against me, then you will pretend that you feel this way or that way, and make a whole argument about it. You did the same thing when we talked about Haye and Vitali. Then afterward, you ADMITTED that you were being biased for Vitali and just arguing because you hate Haye.

Im not a fan of Bhop, but I give him props for his resume, and the clever sneaky way he put it together. Fighting guys moving up in weight, but of course they were still legit opponents. They were just asterisk next to the victories as well.

Bhop did good fighting little Oscar and Little Trinidad. He did wonderful.

Bhop stayed in a weak division so he could outdo Hagler, and get into the Hall of Fame. This is a known fact. He was smart about it. His resume deserves a Hall nod. He did what he had to do. But he was cherrypicking.

We all saw how he ducked Chad for all those years, faked the injury to get out of the fight, and was forced to fight him both times. Ward wont let Hoppa manipulate him into thinking that just because their friends, they shouldnt fight. I wanna see that fight, and I think on paper Hop has a better chance than he feels. But realistically Ward is so mystifying, I think he will find a way to dominate.

And its funny all the things people have been saying about Lee and Chavez. On that article about Chavez trying to fight Barker, everyone was saying the same things they were saying last year; That Chavez was impressive in not only fighting certain fighters but dominating them. Its so crazy how boxing fans change their minds when they want to win an argument. But we know how biased you are. I havent forgotten the Haye Vitali discussions you and me have had! You admitted allot, in them! Tnx. Nice Tlk

I thought we were done and geez guy you are really reaching ain't ya? If anyone on this forum hasn't figured out that I am a Vitali fan I don't what to say? I personally think that it was pretty easy to figure out regardless if I said it or not. I also don't hide the fact that I don't think much of Haye.

However, unlike you I don't have come up with some twisted conspiracy plan and obsess over a fighter, like you do with Bhop, in an attempt to get a point across about Haye. And why is that? Because Haye makes it to easy every time he opens his mouth. You even kind of remind me of Haye you know when say one thing but mean another as you talk out the side of your neck. I also never said that I was just arguing because I dislike Haye. At least not in those words. And if I did please point it out because I don't remember saying it.

As far as he little Oscar and little Trinidad quote was ridiculously funny. It is also fitting that you happened to mention my favorite fighter the Marvelous One. Do you realize that when Hagler was active the middleweight division wasn't exactly overflowing with great fighters. So what do you imagine happened?

I will tell what happened in Hagler's three biggest fights all three of his opponents moved up in weight to fight him. That's right! Little Ray Leonard moved up and Little Tommy Hearns moved up and even Little Roberto Duran moved up. So, I have to ask, in fairness are you going to now pick apart Hagler's record as you do Bhop's for doing what has been a very common occurrence in the history of the sport?

Bhop also did something that Hagler didn't do. And as much as you are in denial about it Bhop actually did move up in weight and won another title. And fought some decent fighters in the process and he is not even finished yet. And still complain and find fault and pick apart at every twist and turn.

One other question on Hagler. Why would Bhop focus on Marvin when it would have been Carlos Monzon that he would have been chasing. After all he was the one that held the records in the division. Carlos also never moved out of the division and also fought fighters that moved up. Will he now also be added to your list?

As far as Bhop and Chad I really don't care if he ducked him moaned about Chad or if he even cried about him. Because it became a moot point when Bhop fought him. Admittedly the fight was beyond boring, but he did fight a close fight with a much younger fighter that was supposedly one of the best fighters in the world. But honestly I always believed that Chad was overrated.

Now, back to what you started with. The fact that I believe you are wrong and feel I have given compelling evidence to counter your silly argument should be enough proof that I am not all that biased. Simply because I still cannot believe I am even defending Bhop.

And once again who cares if Junior dominates B level fighters. Because unless he finds someway to reinvent himself and becomes a completely different fighter he will be be what he is. And that will proven once again when he fights anything that resembles an elite fighter that can handle his size. Because that really is a big as well as an unfair advantage.

[BafanaBafana]

I thought we were done and geez guy you are really reaching ain't ya? If anyone on this forum hasn't figured out that I am a Vitali fan I don't what to say? I personally think that it was pretty easy to figure out regardless if I said it or not. I also don't hide the fact that I don't think much of Haye.

However, unlike you I don't have come up with some twisted conspiracy plan and obsess over a fighter, like you do with Bhop, in an attempt to get a point across about Haye. And why is that? Because Haye makes it to easy every time he opens his mouth. You even kind of remind me of Haye you know when say one thing but mean another as you talk out the side of your neck. I also never said that I was just arguing because I dislike Haye. At least not in those words. And if I did please point it out because I don't remember saying it.

As far as he little Oscar and little Trinidad quote was ridiculously funny. It is also fitting that you happened to mention my favorite fighter the Marvelous One. Do you realize that when Hagler was active the middleweight division wasn't exactly overflowing with great fighters. So what do you imagine happened?

I will tell what happened in Hagler's three biggest fights all three of his opponents moved up in weight to fight him. That's right! Little Ray Leonard moved up and Little Tommy Hearns moved up and even Little Roberto Duran moved up. So, I have to ask, in fairness are you going to now pick apart Hagler's record as you do Bhop's for doing what has been a very common occurrence in the history of the sport?

Bhop also did something that Hagler didn't do. And as much as you are in denial about it Bhop actually did move up in weight and won another title. And fought some decent fighters in the process and he is not even finished yet. And still complain and find fault and pick apart at every twist and turn.

One other question on Hagler. Why would Bhop focus on Marvin when it would have been Carlos Monzon that he would have been chasing. After all he was the one that held the records in the division. Carlos also never moved out of the division and also fought fighters that moved up. Will he now also be added to your list?

As far as Bhop and Chad I really don't care if he ducked him moaned about Chad or if he even cried about him. Because it became a moot point when Bhop fought him. Admittedly the fight was beyond boring, but he did fight a close fight with a much younger fighter that was supposedly one of the best fighters in the world. But honestly I always believed that Chad was overrated.

Now, back to what you started with. The fact that I believe you are wrong and feel I have given compelling evidence to counter your silly argument should be enough proof that I am not all that biased. Simply because I still cannot believe I am even defending Bhop.

And once again who cares if Junior dominates B level fighters. Because unless he finds someway to reinvent himself and becomes a completely different fighter he will be be what he is. And that will proven once again when he fights anything that resembles an elite fighter that can handle his size. Because that really is a big as well as an unfair advantage.

Go find/make another thread to talk about B. HOP.

[Jloro]

lol there is like 10 paragraphs in a row