Comments Thread For: Team Martinez: Golovkin, Geale Possible - Who is Quillin?

[MurkaMan]

"The betting odds reflect hype"

So this means all the hype was on Chavez to win. You specifically stated that "most people " thought Chavez would lose. How can this be if all the "hype" and betting money was on Chavez?

Again you don't know what you're talking about.

Everyone thought Chavez would get outboxed, because he was still looked at as a bum. A few fights before that, he started changing, and becoming an exciting, affective, strong, dangerous fighter. He beat the crap out of Andy Lee. And Martinez was seemingly aging, and performing bad in his fights at that time. Some people started worrying that he was getting old, and might lose due to Chavez's size and pressure. Martinez was in a rare form that night, and I didnt even know he could box that good. What stood out to me, was his ranging. He was like a magnet. Everytime he got Close to Maravillia, he moved back smooth as hell like a cat. He never showed that in his prior fights. Martinez is the truth!!

[MurkaMan]

Golovkins style fits even better to the pros than the ams IMO. Hes not your typical amateur guy who throws feather-fisted flurries just to get points. And his power is much more effective too in the pro game because of smaller gloves and no head gear.

We really havent seen his power tested against an elite fighter in the pros yet. As Ward agreed with me saying, he KO's ill-elite fighters. But he may step up to a guy like Martinez, and might not even be able to phase Martinez. He may not even be able to hurt an elite fighter. We cant judge an untested fighter for what they do against bums. Ward is the best, and he agrees with me. I just know my boxing. Tnx for the talk.

[Ravens Fan]

I never said Bhop had an unimpressive resume. Bhop has a GREAT legacy. But he DID carefully structure his resume. That is a FACT. Not saying he's a hypejob, or a fake. Just saying he doesnt wrecklessly fight the best. He carefully picks legitamate opponents to fight. Opposed to a fighter who wrecklessly picks ANYONE to fight. Bhop has a great legacy, FACT.

Who recklessly picks anyone to fight? With all the double talk and contradictions are you possibly a used car salesman? Honestly I will stop trying to make sense of what you are saying because you are bordering on not making any sense at all

[MurkaMan]

Who recklessly picks anyone to fight? With all the double talk and contradictions are you possibly a used car salesman? Honestly I will stop trying to make sense of what you are saying because you are bordering on not making any sense at all

Bhop carfully cherrypicked fights he felt he could win. Its a fact. Im agreeing with you that he does have a great resume, but he picked and choosed fights he felt he would win. We see how he's ducking Ward, the same way he would have if Ward was around when Hoppa was in his prime. And we see how he ducked Chad for 3 years, and acted a fool to escape the first fight. He was forced to fight him both times.

[Ravens Fan]

Bhop carfully cherrypicked fights he felt he could win. Its a fact. Im agreeing with you that he does have a great resume, but he picked and choosed fights he felt he would win. We see how he's ducking Ward, the same way he would have if Ward was around when Hoppa was in his prime. And we see how he ducked Chad for 3 years, and acted a fool to escape the first fight. He was forced to fight him both times.

If Bhop went into any fight thinking he would lose he should retire. And how was he forced to fight Chad? He could have simply retired and no one would have thought any less of him. However, that is not what happened and regardless of the scenario that you have cooked up in your head Bhop did in fact fight Chad. In what turned out to be a close fight.

So, in my opinion you really have no sound argument. Because it wasn't as if he has been fighting fringe contenders. Simply because he was fighting guys that were ranked in the top five by Ring magazine. I have to ask, who do you think he should have fought, Cleverly? The guy that fights opponents that no one has even heard of and no one can even pronounce their names, that guy?

As far as Ward is concerned you are just speculating on what would have happened when you cannot possibly know. And its ridiculous to assume what Bhop would or wouldn't have done if Ward happened to be born twenty years earlier. But, Bhop did fight Jones when he was a monster in his prime. So, I see no reason why Hopkins would not have fought Ward as well.

It also doesn't seem that either one them are all that interested in fighting each other. And Ward would be the one that actually had something to lose if they fought, and in my opinion Bhop really wouldn't have anything to lose.

[MurkaMan]

If Bhop went into any fight thinking he would lose he should retire. And how was he forced to fight Chad? He could have simply retired and no one would have thought any less of him. However, that is not what happened and regardless of the scenario that you have cooked up in your head Bhop did in fact fight Chad. In what turned out to be a close fight.

So, in my opinion you really have no sound argument. Because it wasn't as if he has been fighting fringe contenders. Simply because he was fighting guys that were ranked in the top five by Ring magazine. I have to ask, who do you think he should have fought, Cleverly? The guy that fights opponents that no one has even heard of and no one can even pronounce their names, that guy?

As far as Ward is concerned you are just speculating on what would have happened when you cannot possibly know. And its ridiculous to assume what Bhop would or wouldn't have done if Ward happened to be born twenty years earlier. But, Bhop did fight Jones when he was a monster in his prime. So, I see no reason why Hopkins would not have fought Ward as well.

It also doesn't seem that either one them are all that interested in fighting each other. And Ward would be the one that actually had something to lose if they fought, and in my opinion Bhop really wouldn't have anything to lose.

Why do you insist on confusing yourself? I keep saying the SAME thing. Bhop has a sound legacy, he did NOT fight fringe contenders bro.

He just carefully fought guys he knew he could beat. He ducked Chad for 3 yrs, talking about Chad was too much of a small draw, and that the fight would be boring. The moment Chad lost to Pascal, Bhop fought Pascal, because Pascal is small, square, and easy for BHop to beat. Chad and Pascal had a rematch clause, so all three fighters signed a step-aside agreement so Chad could fight the winner. Bhop was forced to fight Chad.

Bhop faked an injury to get out of the fight(This fight was televised, you can actually look up the vid of him faking the injury).

Bhop was then ordered to have the rematch.

Bhop is very wise about his choices in boxing. He stayed at a weak division, instead of moving up, and fought all those smaller guys he knew he could beat. He fought Tarver after he lost all that weight from that movie.

And is currently trying to talk Ward into thinking that just because their friends, they shouldnt fight. That fight is NOT going to happen. See, I told you, I know my boxing! Nice Talk, Tnx.

[Ravens Fan]

Why do you insist on confusing yourself? I keep saying the SAME thing. Bhop has a sound legacy, he did NOT fight fringe contenders bro.

He just carefully fought guys he knew he could beat. He ducked Chad for 3 yrs, talking about Chad was too much of a small draw, and that the fight would be boring. The moment Chad lost to Pascal, Bhop fought Pascal, because Pascal is small, square, and easy for BHop to beat. Chad and Pascal had a rematch clause, so all three fighters signed a step-aside agreement so Chad could fight the winner. Bhop was forced to fight Chad.

Bhop faked an injury to get out of the fight(This fight was televised, you can actually look up the vid of him faking the injury).

Bhop was then ordered to have the rematch.

Bhop is very wise about his choices in boxing. He stayed at a weak division, instead of moving up, and fought all those smaller guys he knew he could beat. He fought Tarver after he lost all that weight from that movie.

And is currently trying to talk Ward into thinking that just because their friends, they shouldnt fight. That fight is NOT going to happen. See, I told you, I know my boxing! Nice Talk, Tnx.

I stand corrected because according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary you are absolutely right.

The definition of cherry picking;

intransitive verb
: to select the best or most desirable
transitive verb
: to select as being the best or most desirable; also : to select the best or most desirable from

And regardless of how it has happened, or the time line, that is what Bhop has been doing. So, thanks for clearing that up for me.

[MurkaMan]

I stand corrected because according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary you are absolutely right.

The definition of cherry picking;

intransitive verb
: to select the best or most desirable
transitive verb
: to select as being the best or most desirable; also : to select the best or most desirable from

And regardless of how it has happened, or the time line, that is what Bhop has been doing. So, thanks for clearing that up for me.

Yea man thats all I been saying. He carefully picked and choosed beatable foes. Im not saying he fought bums. Im not saying he doesnt have a legit resume. Because he DOES have a great resume. It was just carefully structured! Tnx man.

[mathed]

Bhop carfully cherrypicked fights he felt he could win. Its a fact. Im agreeing with you that he does have a great resume, but he picked and choosed fights he felt he would win. We see how he's ducking Ward, the same way he would have if Ward was around when Hoppa was in his prime. And we see how he ducked Chad for 3 years, and acted a fool to escape the first fight. He was forced to fight him both times.

Come on man, give the old champ some credit. People thought BHOP was gonna get his career ended by Cloud before their fight. By no stretch of the imagination can you call any fight between a 45-48 year old man and a guy in his 20's a "cherrypick". No body is having easy fights at that age, if he makes it look easy, it's due to his intelligence, technique, and experience.

[mathed]

Yea man thats all I been saying. He carefully picked and choosed beatable foes. Im not saying he fought bums. Im not saying he doesnt have a legit resume. Because he DOES have a great resume. It was just carefully structured! Tnx man.

Maybe but he didn't cherry pick anything when he was a prime MW, the guy was beating up on guys he was supposed to lose to and he upset the apple cart.