Comments Thread For: Team Martinez: Golovkin, Geale Possible - Who is Quillin?

[MurkaMan]

I do wish he would fight Ward but as long as he gets credit...I can't complain. he is a smart guy and if he used circumstances to his advantage...well, then he did. I see the same kind of traits in a guy like Ward too honestly, wanting guys to move up, move down, fight in grandma's backyard, etc. I guess if you can get away with it, then take it while it's there. It is worthy of complaint though.

Yea I agree on everything except for the Ward part. Ward is entirely unbeatable. He dont have to do all that stuff man. The fights end up in his backyard, but whether it was in his backyard or not, he will dominate, beat the crap out of you, and stop you man. Bhop never was, will be, can dream of being Ward. Ward fighting in his backyard, is not the same as Bhop cherrypicking opponents he knows he can beat. Either way, I give Bhop credit for the resume he structured.

[Ravens Fan]

No he was forced to fight Chad. Yea he did fight Pascal, but he fought him because he knew his skills were limited. Same as Cloud.

And your STILL saying the same thing about how you feel Bhop has a good resume. We ALREADY AGREED that he DOES have a good resume. But it was carefully structured.

As far as his size advantage, size doesnt win fights. Its a combination of size and style. Bhop knows what he's doing in fighting smaller squared up bum fighters.

Even though Ward is smaller, ironically Hoppa-Poppa wants no part in it.

And your still confusing yourself. Not once have I EVER said, "He fought legit opponents, but he doesnt have a legit resume." That doesnt even make sense, and everything I say makes sense. I said he DID fight legit opponents. He DOES have a legit resume. It was just CAREFULLY structured. Staying in weak divisions instead of moving up, making smaller guys jump up in weight etc. When he was fighting little Oscar, YEA it was a legit opponent. But that asterisk is still there. Oscar had to move up to fight him.

And Andy Lee IS a legit opponent for Chavez Jr. Now when Bhop goes to cherrypick that caliber of opponent, then it probably wont be so legit huh?

How long have you been watching boxing? You make it sound as if Bhop was the only one fighting opponents that moved up in weight. When in reality its a pretty common occurrence. Especially now when the divisions are only separated by a couple of pounds.

I also believe it is pretty easy to find several not so legit opponents with a fighter that has had so many title fights such as Hopkins. I just don't believe Oscar was one of them. Simply because he was still in his prime and way younger than Bhop. You are also the one that keeps bringing up the issue of size and I don't believed that applies, at least not in Oscar's case.

Because you talk as if Oscar just moved up from lightweight before he fought Bhop. When in reality it wasn't even Oscar's first fight at middleweight. Oscar was also the WBO champ and it was a unification fight. Oscar was also at Jr middle for quite awhile and he is almost 6 foot tall. And what do you figure his walking around weight would have been? No doubt it was well over 160.

In other words he was not a small middleweight by any stretch. And to top it off the fight was at a catch weight of 157. So, poor little ole Oscar had to gain three little measly pounds. Wow, what an amazing feat and I cannot believe he was able to pull it off! And you keep claiming how well you know boxing?

You also said it again, your words, "Bhop knows what he's doing in fighting smaller squared up bum fighters." On one hand you keep saying that they are legit fighters and on the other hand that they are bums. I believe they have to be one or the other or is that Bhop has fought a long list of legit world class bums?

As for Andy Lee he in no way shape or form should have been fighting for a championship. Simply because he did nothing but fight club fighters, but that is a problem with boxing and not his fault. With that said Andy also fought a champ who was given the belt on a silver platter and was far from legit. So. in reality I don't believe it really matters who Junior fought because it was all little more than a joke.

I will also ask you once again, if not for those fighters who should Bhop have fought? I have asked you that question at least three times and you have yet to answer. I also just read the title of another thread about Bhop possibly fighting Cleverly. I honestly don't know much about him and I have never seen him fight. So, I will ask you what you think of him. Is he legit or just another in the long list of squared up bums that Bhop has been fighting?

[MurkaMan]

How long have you been watching boxing? You make it sound as if Bhop was the only one fighting opponents that moved up in weight. When in reality its a pretty common occurrence. Especially now when the divisions are only separated by a couple of pounds.

I also believe it is pretty easy to find several not so legit opponents with a fighter that has had so many title fights such as Hopkins. I just don't believe Oscar was one of them. Simply because he was still in his prime and way younger than Bhop. You are also the one that keeps bringing up the issue of size and I don't believed that applies, at least not in Oscar's case.

Because you talk as if Oscar just moved up from lightweight before he fought Bhop. When in reality it wasn't even Oscar's first fight at middleweight. Oscar was also the WBO champ and it was a unification fight. Oscar was also at Jr middle for quite awhile and he is almost 6 foot tall. And what do you figure his walking around weight would have been? No doubt it was well over 160.

In other words he was not a small middleweight by any stretch. And to top it off the fight was at a catch weight of 157. So, poor little ole Oscar had to gain three little measly pounds. Wow, what an amazing feat and I cannot believe he was able to pull it off! And you keep claiming how well you know boxing?

You also said it again, your words, "Bhop knows what he's doing in fighting smaller squared up bum fighters." On one hand you keep saying that they are legit fighters and on the other hand that they are bums. I believe they have to be one or the other or is that Bhop has fought a long list of legit world class bums?

As for Andy Lee he in no way shape or form should have been fighting for a championship. Simply because he did nothing but fight club fighters, but that is a problem with boxing and not his fault. With that said Andy also fought a champ who was given the belt on a silver platter and was far from legit. So. in reality I don't believe it really matters who Junior fought because it was all little more than a joke.

I will also ask you once again, if not for those fighters who should Bhop have fought? I have asked you that question at least three times and you have yet to answer. I also just read the title of another thread about Bhop possibly fighting Cleverly. I honestly don't know much about him and I have never seen him fight. So, I will ask you what you think of him. Is he legit or just another in the long list of squared up bums that Bhop has been fighting?

Bhop cherrypicked fights he knew he could win. I posted some vids for you, and you aint reply to that. Yea Bhop cherrypicked guys he felt he could beat, but they were still legit opponents. Go watch those short films I posted for you. You keep writing these long books about nothing. Seems like you want to find ways to make everything seem untrue. Bhop is Bhop. He's a guy who plays it safe. It is what it is.

Andy Lee was one of Chavez first legit opponents, and he didnt just win, he dominated. I dislike Chavez just as much as you, I am sure. But I refuse to discredit his fight with Lee. Chavez came into his own, during that fight. It was exciting, and dominant. He even showboated, and it was a wowzer performance.

I said Bhop fights legit opponents, who he feels have styles he can match up with, and you say they either have to be bums or legit opponents. You dont believe that yourself. Its like Floyd fighting Ortiz. Ortiz was a great legit opponent for Floyd, but Floyd knew he could beat him. But of course you know all of this, you just hate admitting that you were wrong, so you do all of this to keep from saying, "You know what my dawg? You was right. I know Bhop scary azz be on that o'l bullshiet."

Its like Cloud and Pascal. Their skillset is on a Bum Level. But they are still legit opponents.

Go reply to my other comment, they answered some of your questions. And instead of typing long books just because you hate admitting Im right, do yaself a favor.
And just accept the fact that you was wrong, and move along. No beef. Nice Tlk!

[MJ223]

Quillin wont be fighting anyone worth a damn anytime soon.....

Make Martinez-Golovkin

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Yea I agree on everything except for the Ward part. Ward is entirely unbeatable. He dont have to do all that stuff man. The fights end up in his backyard, but whether it was in his backyard or not, he will dominate, beat the crap out of you, and stop you man. Bhop never was, will be, can dream of being Ward. Ward fighting in his backyard, is not the same as Bhop cherrypicking opponents he knows he can beat. Either way, I give Bhop credit for the resume he structured.

That's a pretty bold statement. I personally don't believe that anyone is completely unbeatable. The fact is that he DID make those demands and it says alot that they weren't even needed in the first place. I don't see Ward making ANY concessions at all and wanting everyone else to come to him......Mayweather: moved up in weight, won titles in multiple divisions, fought and beat bigger guys. Pac: same story as Mayweather, Donaire: same story. Guerrero: same story. Bradley: same story. Martinez: same story. JMM: same story


These are all guys in or around the top 5 P4P. The only one that sticks out like a sore thumb and DOES NOT have the same career tendencies is Ward. None of the other fighters have all their fights in their hometown except for Floyd, that's just because he happens to live in Vegas. If Ward was so confident is his abilities, he would be up at 175 right now shutting that division down instead of asking Pavlik and Chavez Jr. to move up or getting guys from 175 to move down.

[Ravens Fan]

Bhop cherrypicked fights he knew he could win. I posted some vids for you, and you aint reply to that. Yea Bhop cherrypicked guys he felt he could beat, but they were still legit opponents. Go watch those short films I posted for you. You keep writing these long books about nothing. Seems like you want to find ways to make everything seem untrue. Bhop is Bhop. He's a guy who plays it safe. It is what it is.

Andy Lee was one of Chavez first legit opponents, and he didnt just win, he dominated. I dislike Chavez just as much as you, I am sure. But I refuse to discredit his fight with Lee. Chavez came into his own, during that fight. It was exciting, and dominant. He even showboated, and it was a wowzer performance.

I said Bhop fights legit opponents, who he feels have styles he can match up with, and you say they either have to be bums or legit opponents. You dont believe that yourself. Its like Floyd fighting Ortiz. Ortiz was a great legit opponent for Floyd, but Floyd knew he could beat him. But of course you know all of this, you just hate admitting that you were wrong, so you do all of this to keep from saying, "You know what my dawg? You was right. I know Bhop scary azz be on that o'l bullshiet."

Its like Cloud and Pascal. Their skillset is on a Bum Level. But they are still legit opponents.

Go reply to my other comment, they answered some of your questions. And instead of typing long books just because you hate admitting Im right, do yaself a favor.
And just accept the fact that you was wrong, and move along. No beef. Nice Tlk!

And you keep writing quite a bit yourself there guy. You also seem to take yourself way way to seriously. You are also the one that keeps saying that they are bums but still legit. I didn't say what my opinion was of them either way. And I don't believe that it even matters because he is still fighting and for the most part beating highly ranked top ten fighters and champions and he is almost 50 years old.

I can also see with my own eyes and I don't need to watch some silly video because it will not change my opinion of Bhop. However, I will say that I thought that Bhop could beat Cloud. But unlike you I am not going to say that most of the top ten light heavyweights are bums, and that seems to be your opinion because you keep repeating it over and over again.

I also believe it has more to do with just how amazing Bhop accomplishment actually is. I will admit that I am impressed by what he has done. And that is saying a lot because I truly can't stand him. You also haven't said who Bhop should have fought, and I believe this will be the fourth or fifth time that I have asked you.

As far as Chavez and Lee are concerned. They were two overprotected B level fighters. And that was proven when your pal Sergio beat him so easily. And if you truly want to talk about a fighter picking easy fight. Try taking a hard look at Sergio's record. Wait? You really you don't have to look that hard because it really isn't that hard to see.

[MurkaMan]

And you keep writing quite a bit yourself there guy. You also seem to take yourself way way to seriously. You are also the one that keeps saying that they are bums but still legit. I didn't say what my opinion was of them either way. And I don't believe that it even matters because he is still fighting and for the most part beating highly ranked top ten fighters and champions and he is almost 50 years old.

I can also see with my own eyes and I don't need to watch some silly video because it will not change my opinion of Bhop. However, I will say that I thought that Bhop could beat Cloud. But unlike you I am not going to say that most of the top ten light heavyweights are bums, and that seems to be your opinion because you keep repeating it over and over again.

I also believe it has more to do with just how amazing Bhop accomplishment actually is. I will admit that I am impressed by what he has done. And that is saying a lot because I truly can't stand him. You also haven't said who Bhop should have fought, and I believe this will be the fourth or fifth time that I have asked you.

As far as Chavez and Lee are concerned. They were two overprotected B level fighters. And that was proven when your pal Sergio beat him so easily. And if you truly want to talk about a fighter picking easy fight. Try taking a hard look at Sergio's record. Wait? You really you don't have to look that hard because it really isn't that hard to see.

Thats because I reply to your whole comment. Lets agree to shorten the comments up.

Is it true that Cloud and Pascal are garbage with power? But still credible foes? I think you and myself agree on this one here man!

I also agree that for his age, he is doing great. But my point is that fighters like him and Floyd, carefully build their resumes. Thats just Bhop's personality. Safety first.

As far as the videos that you did indeed watch, I just posted them to show that Im not the only person who knows boxing that speaks realness about Hoppa-Poppa. Their are plenty of boxing fans that actually know the sport, and speak about real stuff on his resume.

You keep asking who Bhop should have fought, but when I posted videos exposing all of that, you pretended to not have watched it.

Are chavez and Lee overprotected? Maybe so. But Chavez is a cruiserweight, and has morphed into a stellar pressure fighter. That plus his size gives him great potential if he can dedicate himself. Did Martinez dominating him, make him lesser or did it show how great Martinez really is? Considering how big Chavez is, and Martinez WALKED him down. Martinez was in a rare form that night.

Now does Bhop have a better resume than Sergio? Absolutely! But Sergio fought the best opposition available at the time he fought them. Maravillia is just a beast. I dont think he is calculated like Bhop. Now hopefully you will stop ducking and dodging my other comment, in which I posted a few short films for you Ravio! Nice Tlk.

[HeroBando]

Are chavez and Lee overprotected? Maybe so. But Chavez is a cruiserweight, and has morphed into a stellar pressure fighter. That plus his size gives him great potential if he can dedicate himself. Did Martinez dominating him, make him lesser or did it show how great Martinez really is? Considering how big Chavez is, and Martinez WALKED him down. Martinez was in a rare form that night.

Now does Bhop have a better resume than Sergio? Absolutely! But Sergio fought the best opposition available at the time he fought them. Maravillia is just a beast. I dont think he is calculated like Bhop. Now hopefully you will stop ducking and dodging my other comment, in which I posted a few short films for you Ravio! Nice Tlk.

What makes you think this? He's never shown that ability in beating a top 10 fighter, except Zbik who's not very good at all, and most (?) had Chavez losing that fight. And he's got 3 stoppages in 10 fights, all against soft targets, with many more soft targets going the distance. Martinez didn't really walk him down either, IIRC he didn't commit on his punches that much. And Chavez is your best argument for Sergio fighting the best at MW since PWill 2!

[MurkaMan]

What makes you think this? He's never shown that ability in beating a top 10 fighter, except Zbik who's not very good at all, and most (?) had Chavez losing that fight. And he's got 3 stoppages in 10 fights, all against soft targets, with many more soft targets going the distance. Martinez didn't really walk him down either, IIRC he didn't commit on his punches that much. And Chavez is your best argument for Sergio fighting the best at MW since PWill 2!

A few fights before the Martinez fight, is when Chavez started morphing. At first he was seen as big, slow, and easy to hit. Then he started to be seen as big, durable, walking thru punches, and relentless. Against Lee, he was showboating almost as if he had transitioned from being not only an exciting fighter, but a a showman and entertainer.

His size, is also what makes him a great foe at that weight. He is too big for that class, and ANYONE who gets a dominant win over him, being half his size, gets credit. Point, blank, period.

Martinez began walking the giant down from the beginning of the fight. Martinez showed he was better at dominating, showboating, being arrogant, and yelling at Chavez while walking him down.

Martinez committed to his punches, and broke his face all up. He's just too small to really hurt or stagger him.

I think Martinez loses the rematch because Chavez will allow Martinez to land, and aim his shots WHILE being hit, and he will land cleanly. Thats what he did in the first fight in the later rounds. Once he lands cleanly, Martinez will get stopped because he's just too small for Chavez, and I give Martinez all the props in the worldio!

[Ravens Fan]

Thats because I reply to your whole comment. Lets agree to shorten the comments up.

Is it true that Cloud and Pascal are garbage with power? But still credible foes? I think you and myself agree on this one here man!

I also agree that for his age, he is doing great. But my point is that fighters like him and Floyd, carefully build their resumes. Thats just Bhop's personality. Safety first.

As far as the videos that you did indeed watch, I just posted them to show that Im not the only person who knows boxing that speaks realness about Hoppa-Poppa. Their are plenty of boxing fans that actually know the sport, and speak about real stuff on his resume.

You keep asking who Bhop should have fought, but when I posted videos exposing all of that, you pretended to not have watched it.

Are chavez and Lee overprotected? Maybe so. But Chavez is a cruiserweight, and has morphed into a stellar pressure fighter. That plus his size gives him great potential if he can dedicate himself. Did Martinez dominating him, make him lesser or did it show how great Martinez really is? Considering how big Chavez is, and Martinez WALKED him down. Martinez was in a rare form that night.

Now does Bhop have a better resume than Sergio? Absolutely! But Sergio fought the best opposition available at the time he fought them. Maravillia is just a beast. I dont think he is calculated like Bhop. Now hopefully you will stop ducking and dodging my other comment, in which I posted a few short films for you Ravio! Nice Tlk.

Again you take yourself way to seriously and no I did not watch the videos. But you are free to believe that I did, I will still sleep well tonight. And why do you need someone else to voice your opinion?

I also never stated my opinion on Pascal or Cloud. But, you are free to keep imagining you know what I am thinking. See I told you that you take yourself to seriously. I don't have to do that with you because you have called them all bums. So, it is pretty clear to see were you stand.

It is also no surprise that you have contradicted yourself once again. Because I could have sworn that you stated that Junior wasn't that good and now he has morphed into a great pressure fighter? Why because he can pressure B level fighters?

As far as his size advantage I personally believe the rules need to be changed. But in Juniors case it simply proves to me one thing, and that is that his power is as overrated as he happens to be.

In closing I know that I am going to say something that will ruffle feathers. But, I have said it before and I will stand by it. And that is I believe your boy Sergio, and I enjoy watching him fight and count myself as a fan, is also highly overrated.