"I do everything average" Tim Bradley

[The Gambler1981]

He's slippery and awkard I agree, a guy who brings to the table what he does is very difficult to fight. And evidently he's shown that.

Similar to Hopkins just no where near as good.

Indeed, because Hopkins almost never leaves himself wide open.

Bradley is difficult though because one of the best ways to beat a guy is go after their weaknesses but a guy that doesn't have any terrible weaknesses can be tough to exploit, and on the flip side if you try to mitigate his strengths those aren't so much better than his other abilities that he can't figure someway out. Got to love that sort of versatility, very tough to put a value on that.

I think a lot of guys fall into that trap, without focusing on their own game making him react.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Not trolling at all.

I don't think you're trolling by I don't understand why Bradley himself would consider himself to not be exceptional in any area yet some people seem to think he's amazing in every department. I simply don't see it at all. His defense is dead average from what I see.

You say these guys get's hit, Bradley get's hit, Bradley isn't some defensive wizard who lowers his opponents connect ratio to 20% . I don't think Donaire would get hit by a fighter on Junior Witter's level as often as Bradley did in the first 6 rounds of that fight nor do I think Kendall Holt would put him on his back. Not that that makes him better but just to use the same reasoning.

I think Marquez absolutely has a better defense than Bradley. Using their common fight(s) with Pacquaio as an example would suggest that. But even without that Marquez definitely has a better defense than Bradley IMO.

For one, Bradley never took the kind of damage Marquez did in any of the fights against Pacquiao, second Marquez has experience fighting Pacquiao. You bring up the Witter fight fight as if Bradley hasn't far improved since then, besides the 2 K.Ds Holt didn't put any leather on Tim. No I'm not saying he's a defensive wizard, but his defense is clearly better than Donaire, Martinez or Marquez.

[IronDanHamza]

For one, Bradley never took the kind of damage Marquez did in any of the fights against Pacquiao, second Marquez has experience fighting Pacquiao. You bring up the Witter fight fight as if Bradley hasn't far improved since then, besides the 2 K.Ds Holt didn't put any leather on Tim. No I'm not saying he's a defensive wizard, but his defense is clearly better than Donaire, Martinez or Marquez.

Bradley got hit more in his fight than Pacquaio than Marquez did in any of their fights.

Well that's where I disagree. I don't think it's clearly better at all and in regards to Marquez I think the opposite.

All get hit less than Bradley does from what I see or atleast at the same rate.

[S. Saddler 1310]

I think his ring I.Q.is exceptional as well..

yup.

every guy he fights, different primary weapons are employed.

he possesses a rounded set of skills, he's exceptionally conditioned, and he's very smart and responsible. that's why he's one of the best in the sport right now.


besides, i think it's wrong to say he doesn't do anything very well. his torso control and head movement is excellent. he showed, against Pacquiao, one of the best offenders of the last generation, how hard it is to hit him clean when he's coming right at you.

[S. Saddler 1310]

Bradley got hit more in his fight than Pacquaio than Marquez did in any of their fights.

compubox?

CB's numbers on Brad-Pac were way out. i know, because i compared the stats with the footage. quality of blows, bro. my eyes tell me that Marquez took more clean, hard connects in his fights with Pac than Bradley did. he also did more offensively, though.

[The Gambler1981]

Perhaps, perhaps not, but considering the competition he's been in there with and how few/ if any have been able to capitalize on it, I doubt it's gonna be a problem in the future. He has a very unorthodox way of defending, looks weird to us since we're not used to seeing it but to me that stuff looks natural to him.

That is what worries me about him, it has worked and he has got away with it.

I don't really want to dog Bradley though, I just feel he is at his limit and he will probably get caught soon depending on who he fights.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Bradley got hit more in his fight than Pacquaio than Marquez did in any of their fights.

Well that's where I disagree. I don't think it's clearly better at all and in regards to Marquez I think the opposite.

All get hit less than Bradley does from what I see or atleast at the same rate.

Diaz, Katsidis would have never put that much leather on Bradley, while you disagree the footage is there, Bradley never hit the canvas against Manny, never came close to eating the kind of leather Marquez did, and that's Marquez with experience fightin' Manny. I know Pacquiao-Bradley had a significant amount of non effective punches from both ends, a lot of misses, but he's standing right in front of Manny and Pacquiao only managed to shake him up once.



Defensively, the only one you mentioned that I could agree with is Moreno, but Bradley defends better than him in the pocket because he can actually fight there.

[IronDanHamza]

compubox?


Marquez took more clean, hard connects in his fights with Pac than Bradley did. he also did more offensively, though.

I'm not aware of the compubox numbers.

Just from what I see.

Bradley got hit more than Marquez did in any of the 4 fights IMO.

Perhaps not as clean as some of the shots Marquez took but more on a whole. Pacquaio got him clean quite often too.

[IronDanHamza]

yup.

every guy he fights, different primary weapons are employed.

he possesses a rounded set of skills, he's exceptionally conditioned, and he's very smart and responsible. that's why he's one of the best in the sport right now.


besides, i think it's wrong to say he doesn't do anything very well. his torso control and head movement is excellent. he showed, against Pacquiao, one of the best offenders of the last generation, how hard it is to hit him clean when he's coming right at you.

Tim agrees with me though

[S. Saddler 1310]

his defense is clearly better than Donaire, Martinez or Marquez.

agreed, 100% on Donaire and Martinez, who rely more on their legs to avoid blows than on defensive technique.

Marquez is a better technical defender than those guys but is maybe a little more prone to being hit than Bradley. that's a closer, more arguable call, though.