Comments Thread For: Mayweather Shreds Andre Ward: Broner is More Known!

[IronDanHamza]

you guys were having a discussion about the legitimacy of Mayweather's and Ward's recent work. or at least, you made a statement about Ward lacking a quality win since 2011 and junior gong inevitably recriminated that Mayweather's entire run from 2009-2012 was worthless (in not so many words).

i wasn't saying that i found the cases of Ward-Dawson and Mayweather-Mosley to be similar, but rather that the guy you're talking to would be similarly dismissive with regards to any of Mayweather's recent wins.

does Ward deserve full credit for defeating Dawson? definitely not. but Dawson was a new stylistic challenge for him and Ward did what he had to on the night (and did it very well).

I understand but wasn't it clear that Dawson was obviously not healthy?

I mean, like I said, I wanted him to be healthy. For the build up for the fight I was supporting the fight, "as long as he makes the weight healthily". Obviously I was sceptical considering Dawson is a big guy, a big LHW and he hasn't made in 168 for so long.

But when he came to the ring it's clear as day he was dead at the weight. I can't give a guy credit for beating up a guy who's so clearly dead at the weight.

[junior gong]

Mosley was a good win. did Mosley look gunshy and indecisive after just a few rounds of the fight? yes, but that's what Mayweather did to him. he certainly didn't look gunshy and indecisive just one fight before.

again, many observers believed Mosley was enjoying a renaissance under Richarson. he was coming off one of his best wins/performances. he was identified as one of the two men Mayweather should fight. credit is therefore due.

it was only after Floyd beat him up that Mosley was considered an undesirable opponent for Mayweather.

I thought he blew himself out in the second and third, again, my opinion.

[S. Saddler 1310]

And some credit I gave him. but that wasnt anywhere near a prime Mosley and his win over Marg is elevated too highly imo. The Dawson Ward fought and the Mosley Floyd beat arent too far apart in terms of quality when you weigh in everything in my opinion.

the degree of credit can be argued, but it certainly falls under the category of a 'legit' win.

[junior gong]

Mosley was a good win. did Mosley look gunshy and indecisive after just a few rounds of the fight? yes, but that's what Mayweather did to him. he certainly didn't look gunshy and indecisive just one fight before.

again, many observers believed Mosley was enjoying a renaissance under Richarson. he was coming off one of his best wins/performances. he was identified as one of the two men Mayweather should fight. credit is therefore due.

it was only after Floyd beat him up that Mosley was considered an undesirable opponent for Mayweather.

I just dont agree with the many observers. I didnt like the fight when it was made and for me, the only surprise happened in round two. He was old and I thought that the win over margarito flattered to deceive. I feel somewhat vindicated about that now after what has happened since.

[IronDanHamza]

Just sounded like you enjoy mismatches.

I think I made it quite clear why I'd like to see a rematch.

I'm not alone in wanting to see Ward against a healthy Dawson. And I'm also not alone in thinking he will beat him just as well at 175 minus the knockdowns.

I don't know how to make that any simpler for you.

[HeroBando]

I understand but wasn't it clear that Dawson was obviously not healthy?

I mean, like I said, I wanted him to be healthy. For the build up for the fight I was supporting the fight, "as long as he makes the weight healthily". Obviously I was sceptical considering Dawson is a big guy, a big LHW and he hasn't made in 168 for so long.

But when he came to the ring it's clear as day he was dead at the weight. I can't give a guy credit for beating up a guy who's so clearly dead at the weight.

And it was unnecessary. They could have easily done it at a CW, or Ward could have moved up no problem. It wasn't like Pac DLH where the other guy was making a huge weight concession.

TBF, Dawson offered it on a plate, Ward would be ****** not to take it, unless he wants full credit. He wins at any weight, but at 175 Dawson would have been his biggest challenge yet. At 168 Miranda gave him a tougher fight.

[kmas-ski]

Most ppl still got Floyd #1 as he should be but there are some people that think Ward is either 2 or 1. Who gives a eff! They both are the truth at what they do. Is it really that big of a deal? Floyd legacy is cemented and Ward is still pouring out concrete to cement his legacy. But Floyd sound a like a broad going off on a rant just because Ward picked Guerrero and calls himself "SOG" all I'm saying is it seem a lil deeper. Ward fights 3 weight classes north and always has high praise for Floyd.

[IronDanHamza]

And some credit I gave him. but that wasnt anywhere near a prime Mosley and his win over Marg is elevated too highly imo. The Dawson Ward fought and the Mosley Floyd beat arent too far apart in terms of quality when you weigh in everything in my opinion.

So Mosley is a good win for Mayweather then?

You just said the only ok win Mayweather has in recent years is Cotto.

Yet, according to you, Dawson-Ward (Good win for Ward, apparently) and Mayweather-Mosley are on the same level.

You sound a little confused. Perhaps you should have a time out and come back when you've made your mind up.

[S. Saddler 1310]

I thought he blew himself out in the second and third, again, my opinion.

nah. he didn't even do that much in those rounds, couple right hands in the second and a short-lived barrage to follow up, Mosley's tank can more than handle that effort. as with Hopkins-Cloud the other night, people underestimate the stress placed on a guy who is forced to think with a superior ring-thinker. as Mayweather took his measure and started laying wood of his own, Mosley got jumpy, tighter and edgier than he was to begin with, which fosters fatigue in itself.

Mayweather carved that body up good, too.

[junior gong]

So Mosley is a good win for Mayweather then?

You just said the only ok win Mayweather has in recent years is Cotto.

Yet, according to you, Dawson-Ward (Good win for Ward, apparently) and Mayweather-Mosley are on the same level.

You sound a little confused. Perhaps you should have a time out and come back when you've made your mind up.

Anyone can concede a point through discussion, just as I understand you wanting to see Ward fight Dawson at LHW. Isnt that how this forum(and debate in general) is supposed to work?

You and Saddler make your points well here, some I agree with, some I dont.