Martinez vs Murray?

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Wow, you'd think if he could run through those he wouldn't struggle at European level, wouldn't you?

Domenico Spada ("European Level") was not a bad fighter, his fights with Zbik in Germany were both close and it could be argued that Barker has so far been the only fighter to beat him convincingly.
Barker is also a better fighter now than he was back then; he stopped Hope effortlessly, Proksa on the other hand had a much tougher time.

[BafanaBafana]

He was undefeated when he fought Martinez because he'd had almost 100% of his fights at Domestic level. It's not hard to be undefeated at that level.

His only fight above that level was at European level and he struggled badly. In his fight before Martinez.

He hasn't lost since because who has he fought? Kerry Hope and he will keep fighting at that level and looking great. That's amazing!

And he's 12th now. But when he fought Martinez he wasn't in the Top 20 or possibly even 30.

How can a guy who's fought all but 1 of his fights at Domestic level and coming offa lack luster performance at European level be a Top 20 MW? Because he wasn't.

It's hilarious to me that that fight is even being defended.

So your telling me that boxrec raised his ranking based on a stoppage loss? I thought boxrec was based on a points system. Show me proof that he was not ranked in the top 20 at the time Martinez fought him.

Anyhow, prior to the Barker fight Martinez called out both Geale and Quillin and both of them turned him down.

[IronDanHamza]

Domenico Spada ("European Level") was not a bad fighter, his fights with Zbik in Germany were both close and it could be argued that Barker has so far been the only fighter to beat him convincingly.
Barker is also a better fighter now than he was back then; he stopped Hope effortlessly, Proksa on the other hand had a much tougher time.

Barker didn't beat Spada convincingly.

And please don't use Kerry Hope as an example He's awful.

The fact he is 1-1 with Proska just shows how poor he is also.

[IronDanHamza]

So your telling me that boxrec raised his ranking based on a stoppage loss? I thought boxrec was based on a points system. Show me proof that he was not ranked in the top 20 at the time Martinez fought him.

Anyhow, prior to the Barker fight Martinez called out both Geale and Quillin and both of them turned him down.

Why do you need proof?

How can you be in the Top 20 when all but 1 of your fights are at Domestic level and the one that wasn't you struggled in? You can't be.

Boxrec's rankings are a joke anyway.

And they most likely turned him down because why are they going to fight someone on that level? They were world level why are they going to fight someone 1 or 2 levels below that?

[BafanaBafana]

Why do you need proof?

How can you be in the Top 20 when all but 1 of your fights are at Domestic level and the one that wasn't you struggled in? You can't be.

Boxrec's rankings are a joke anyway.

And they most likely turned him down because why are they going to fight someone on that level? They were world level why are they going to fight someone 1 or 2 levels below that?

Then don't claim boxrec didn't have him ranked in the top 20 if you don't know or don't have any proof to back-up your claims.

And he's 12th now. But when he fought Martinez he wasn't in the Top 20 or possibly even 30.

Also, given your criteria Canelo and Martyrosyan (and possibly some other ones) shouldn't be top 10 JMWs

[IronDanHamza]

Then don't claim boxrec didn't have him ranked in the top 20 if you don't know or don't have any proof to back-up your claims.

I said nothing about Boxrec at any point.

Who takes Boxrec's rankings seriously?

Also, given your criteria Canelo and Martyrosyan (and possibly some other ones) shouldn't be top 10 JMWs

Canelo beat a Top 5 ranked JMW so not really.

As for Vanes, I'm not sure why he was in the Top 10.

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I said nothing about Boxrec at any point.

Who takes Boxrec's rankings seriously?




Canelo beat a Top 5 ranked JMW so not really.

As for Vanes, I'm not sure why he was in the Top 10.

Here's your reference to boxrec:

And he's 12th now. But when he fought Martinez he wasn't in the Top 20 or possibly even 30.

Darren Barker is ranked #12 by boxrec, so it's obvious you were referencing boxrec.

Now please tell me who is this #5 JMW Canelo beat and what this so called #5 ranked JMW did to be ranked so highly. I'll wait.

[IronDanHamza]

Here's your reference to boxrec:

Darren Barker is ranked #12 by boxrec, so it's obvious you were referencing boxrec.

Where do I mention Boxrec?

I was presuming that was Mathed's personal ranking of Barker.

I have never even looked at Boxrec's rankings. They are a joke.

Now please tell me who is this #5 JMW Canelo beat and what this so called #5 ranked JMW did to be ranked so highly. I'll wait.

Canelo beat Ryan Rhodes who was ranked #5 when he beat him.

[BafanaBafana]

Where do I mention Boxrec?

I was presuming that was Mathed's personal ranking of Barker.

I have never even looked at Boxrec's rankings. They are a joke.



Canelo beat Ryan Rhodes who was ranked #5 when he beat him.

Your quote insinuates that although he is ranked #12 he wasn't even ranked in the top 30 (presumably by boxrec) before the Martinez fight. You're just backing up now because I called you out and you can't back up your own claims.

You also didn't answer my question:

Now please tell me who is this #5 JMW (Ryan Rhodes?) Canelo beat and what this so called #5 ranked JMW did to be ranked so highly.

Again, I'll wait.

[IronDanHamza]

Your quote insinuates that although he is ranked #12 he wasn't even ranked in the top 30 (presumably by boxrec) before the Martinez fight. You're just backing up now because I called you out and you can't back up your own claims.

Perhaps you shouldn't presume? I didn't mention Boxrec once nor was I referring to Boxrec. I don't use their rankings.

Barker wasn't in the Top 20-30 because no one who fights at that level and struggles at European level is. It's really as simple as that.

It's understanable he's amongst the Top 20 now but at the time he obviously wasn't.

It's not difficult to understand.

You also didn't answer my question:

Now please tell me who is this #5 JMW Canelo beat and what this so called #5 ranked JMW did to be ranked so highly.

Again, I'll wait.

I did answer your question.....You bolded my answer.

He beat Ryan Rhodes who was #5 at JMW when he fought him..