Who benefits from Manny Pacquiao Vs Juan Marquez 5?

[Weebler I]

I'm pretty sure they're both juicing, along with every other elite in the sport.

But I think they are the tier that have the money to ensure the best service, i.e. not getting caught. The ones who have been caught out are a few tiers lower, at best

I would love to see testing if I had to see a 5th fight, but I don't think it justifies a return.

I don't agree with this in that if you look at the names who have been caught over the years, you have world champions and pfp stars in the list.

I also don't buy into the idea that every top fighter is a cheat, that's the mentality the cheats use to justify their actions.

Anyway, as a boxing fan, I'm looking forward to Pacquiao v Marquez 5, I think it will be a great fight for the sport - and I say that as someone who didn't want Pac-Marquez 4 because the third fight was boring (and a robbery).

[check hook]

A few things...

(1) Pacquiao was winning the fight, the Marquez KO was against the "run of play" (to borrow a soccer phrase). It was an ending certainly, conclusive? not for some.

(2) There have been plenty of rematches following knockouts, they're not conclusive of themselves, particularly when there have been 3 prior close fights.

(3) Pacquiao officially leads the "series" 2-1 with one draw. Many believe it's really 2 wins each, so a 5th fight makes sense from that perspective.

(4) The drug-testing issue. Never have these two fought under drug testing, if one was to believe all the accusations thrown around, this fight could be the first "clean" fight in the eyes of many.

Manny was winning but the KO wasn't against the run of play. He already rocked him badly with an overhand and it's clear he was looking for the big shot. If you watch the entire 6th round all JMM is doing is trying to time a big counter right hand. You've got your goggles on is all. Same issue you have with the Hatton vs Mayweather fight. Complaining that he got rocked by a ring post when in fact the fight nearly ended in the 8th round after a barrage that started from the exact same counter hook in the exact same corner.

Bottom line is that the last two fights in the series have been conclusive for JMM. That doesn't mean a 5th fight doesn't make sense, but it isn't about any existential reasons for JMM other than money. For Manny it's different, he's the one who kissed the canvas.

[Weebler I]

Manny was winning but the KO wasn't against the run of play.

Forget attacking me, who was ahead on all three cards?

Pacquiao was winning the fight, Marquez dropped him and actually won the fight. It happens, that's boxing, but it keeps a rematch interesting.

[RSBonos]

A rematch of one of the best fights of 2012, the biggest fight of 2013.

The fans win.

[cupocity303]

It's a give and take. Pacquiao benefits from it in that he gets another opportunity to not only avenge his KO loss but try to beat JMM clean for once, without any dispute. And in order to get that chance, he will have to take a pay cut.

JMM benefits financially. If they give him a bigger slice of the pie, he should take it at his age or retire. What's better, getting paid twice as much against a guy you just KO'd, or fight some young buck who doesn't draw and you get the lion's share of a smaller pie?

And I benefit. I have no interest in Pacquiao or Marquez fighting at this particular time, other than against each other. There is no match up I'm clamoring to see that involved Marquez. And other than perhaps Mayweather Vs Pacquiao (which is still somewhat intriguing), I have no real interest in Pacquiao picking some random fighter, even if it's a solid opponent. With Pacquiao, it would be similar to seeing Amir Khan fight on, who doesn't fight rematches but picks a whole new opponent because he is a UK Star.

[Capaedia]

I don't agree with this in that if you look at the names who have been caught over the years, you have world champions and pfp stars in the list.

I also don't buy into the idea that every top fighter is a cheat, that's the mentality the cheats use to justify their actions.

Could you give me a quick list of the more important ones? They're slipping my mind at the moment.

The stand-out off the top of my head would be Roy Jones, especially since Mosley never tested positive.

Anyway, as a boxing fan, I'm looking forward to Pacquiao v Marquez 5, I think it will be a great fight for the sport - and I say that as someone who didn't want Pac-Marquez 4 because the third fight was boring (and a robbery).

[check hook]

Forget attacking me, who was ahead on all three cards?

Pacquiao was winning the fight, Marquez dropped him and actually won the fight. It happens, that's boxing, but it keeps a rematch interesting.

What did i type? Did i not say Manny was ahead? The cards were perfect from all three judges. You said the KO was against the run of play. That implies it came out of nowhere.....it really didn't.

Though it's good to see you are still emotionally traumatised.

[LA_2_Vegas]

10 years from now we will be begging to have two top fighters like this face off. It's not always about moving pieces around on some imaginary boxing chessboard and trying to quantify someone's legacy - many times that turns out to be a fool's errand. It's about the memories of the fights... and these two have produced big time.


(unless they are still fighting each other 10 years from now)

[pbeer]

Marquez-Rios Great fight PPV worthy
Bradley-Marquez interesting fight that Marquez possibly can win.. PPV If billed and promoted right as the last two to beat Pac... Could generate alot of money
And if he fought Rios in Mexico that would generate big Dollars..


Pac is actually the one who needs Marquez, too generate the dollars he has been making .. Hes coming off two straight losses..

Marquez will generate enough money without Pac from here on out.. Not as large of an amount, but if hes able to beat these guys after KO'ing Pac to me its a much bigger accomplishment..

[Weebler I]

Could you give me a quick list of the more important ones? They're slipping my mind at the moment.

The stand-out off the top of my head would be Roy Jones, especially since Mosley never tested positive.

Toney, Jones Jr, Tarver, Peterson, Mayorga, Klitschko, Holyfield, Salido, Botha, Berto, Macarinelli, Guzman, Morrison, Vargas and plenty more.

Don't get me wrong, there are surely some who have beat the system but there are enough big names getting caught out to justify reasonable faith in stringent testing imo.

What did i type? Did i not say Manny was ahead? The cards were perfect from all three judges. You said the KO was against the run of play. That implies it came out of nowhere.....it really didn't.

Though it's good to see you are still emotionally traumatised.

I wasn't implying it came out of nowhere, he dropped him in the second or third round so it always a possibility. My point was Pacquiao was winning which maintains the interest in the 5th fight.

If Marquez was dominating Pacquiao before KO-ing him, there would be much less demand for a rematch.