Vitali's legacy

[Weltschmerz]

H2H is a ******ed way to judge because it is nothing but speculation.

Then, it's nothing but speculation saying Ali is the greatest ever, because the Klitschko's would beat him.

[New England]

Common misconception. What's so weak about it? It looks weak, because the Klitschko's are so superior.

it's a weak division. to prove that you're unbiased you should recognize that.

wladimir klitschko is a great fighter. his best challenger is his brother. they will never fight. david haye is a con man with a decent amount of talent and a good punch.

it's as bad a division as it's ever been. the contenders are out of shape and untalented.

[Weltschmerz]

it's a weak division. to prove that you're unbiased you should recognize that.

wladimir klitschko is a great fighter. his best challenger is his brother. they will never fight. david haye is a con man with a decent amount of talent and a good punch.

it's as bad a division as it's ever been. the contenders are out of shape and untalented.

nah, come on, you're being cynical. There are talented, in shape guys. You just told me in another thread that Wilder has talent. Jennnings is always in shape too. Europeans like Povetkin, Pulev, Szpilka, Glazkov have lots of talent. The future of the hw looks bright, unlike what most people think of it. Lots of young, unpolished talent. Price, Fury we shouldn't forget.

[Madjab]

Then, it's nothing but speculation saying Ali is the greatest ever, because the Klitschko's would beat him.

No, his resume is what makes him the greatest ever.

[Madjab]

can't really agree on that, because in that case one would need to look at the boxrec and that's it.

I think that we, as noncasul boxing fans, can look more into it.

It's not just that Vitali won those fights, but it's how he won. Also how he looked in those fights he lost. I'm taking that into account too. That doesn't count much in resume ranking.. L on the resume is L on the resume, but we can take that into account for different rankings (h2h being one of them).

So because I'd pick Holyfield, Lewis, Holmes, Norton, Tyson, Liston, Bowe to beat Vitali does that mean he is no longer top 5 h2h?

[yoz]

Some good points made in here.

Vitali is HOF no doubt, and his ATG status is determined by the individual definition of ATG.

I don't think that his resume is strong enough to put him there, but also IMO no HW that ever lived would have an easy night or guaranteed victory over prime Vitali.

This ^.

[LacedUp]

Vitali Klitschko never fought in the parliament. He said to two officials holding him that they should better release him before it gets nasty that's it. Wait are you telling me that I am Vitali Klitschko? You made my day!

I didn't call you (or this profile at least) anything. I called mr wienerschnitzel Dr Eisenfaust, which refers to the fact you (this profile) and he (that profile) is in fact the same person. Also called an ALT.

Now, you are known to have several alts and has been banned for months for having it. Please, do everyone a favour and choose one.

[daggum]

Common misconception. What's so weak about it? It looks weak, because the Klitschko's are so superior.

common fact. it's weak because none of the contenders are proven or good. a guy like jerrry quarry fought double digit top 10 fighters(beat lyle, shavers, spencer, foster, patterson, lost to ali, frazier, norton) and quarry was just a solid contender. not even the elite of the division. the "top" guys like haye, povetkin, adamek have beaten maybe 1 fringe top ten guy and the other contenders like tony thompson, arreola, etc...have never even beat a top 10 fighter in their careers.

[Djanxx]

List a top 10 heavyweight list with Vitali on it?

And this is based on actual wins. Not potential.

Too many butthurt Yanks on this forum, as you can see by the poll results.

[JAB5239]

96 to 62....boxingscene has spoken!