Ok, so who does Floyd lose to? For the Flowmos.

[IronDanHamza]

Oscar wasn't "clearly" robbed as you say. People had him "clearly" winning by 2 rounds. That's not "clearly" robbed. Also, putting which Oscar they fought into perspective is the whole point, of how they looked against him. Floyd fought a bum ass Oscar, simple and plain.

Yes, he was robbed. The vast majority felt he won.

There is no way Oscar won less than 7 rounds in that fight. At worst. And I'm not even an Oscar fan.

Why even bring up vargas, when at that point, everyone and their mommas knew Shane wasn't "Sugar" anymore. He went back down to WW twice, then moved back up to 154. Then did the same for Mayorga.

I bring up Vargas because it again shows how underwhelming he was at 154.

Despite being passed his best, he still looks poor compared to when he was at 147. The difference is night and day.

Look at any stage in his career where he fought at 147 and 154 in quick succession.

Compare his performance against Vargas to his performance against Cotto. They are a year or so apart.

Compare his performance against Mayorga to his performance against Margarito.

Compare his performance against Oscar the first time to Oscar he second time.

Pick any point in his career and he still showed he is clearly out of his element and underwhelming at 154.

At least when he fought Winky, he was game, and put up a fight. Again, you're giving Winky no credit for beating a game ass Shane Mosely. One that just came off of a DLHA victory.

Where have I said that? Quote me.

Floyd didn't "dominate" Oscar. Anyone with 2 sets of eyes could tell you, that was a boring ass fight, where Oscar wasn't using his jab. He didn't "dominate" ****. He won, but that was not a domination. Oscar didn't even look like he was in a fight after that fight.

He sure won clearly.

Uneventful fight and he didn't beat him up or do much damage. But, you don't need to do that to clearly beat some in one sided fashion in which Mayweather clearly did.

Get Floyd's **** out yo mouth. He don't like you.

This classic one liner isn't going to work in a thread where I have clearly stated that Mayweather avoided Margarito and made a list of about 20 people I could see beating Mayweather. About 10 of which I would heavily lean on.

[IronDanHamza]

"According to a Top Rank poll of ringside reporters, 16 scored the fight for Mosley, eight for De La Hoya and four had it a draw."

The fight was a case of Shane landing the more impactful shots, and Oscar landing more shots.

Listen to Max Kelerman (I think, going off memory) after the fight. He even said as much. If you were there, you could hear and see that Shane was clearly landing the harder, and more impactful shots.

This is the first fight. Not the second fight.

Mosley clearly won the first fight. Which was at 147.

Mosley clearly lost to second fight. When he got announced the winner he looked more surprised than he did happy. He himself knew he didn't win the fight.

[IronDanHamza]

He does though. Barring his washed up years, he looked damn game against Winky, and beat a much better version of Oscar than Floyd ever faced.

Of course, they both aren't as impressive at 154, but Floyd REALLY isn't impressive at 154.

Even in his washed up years, compare his performances at 154 to 147. It's not a coincidence he looked worse every time in comparison.

No, the both aren't impressive at 154 and both REALLY aren't impressive at 154.

I like how you know damn well Shane fought the much better opponets at 154, but still claim they both looked lackluster. Shane fought and beat a way better version of Oscar, and looked game in both the Winky fights. Then you bring up fights where Shane should've been retired by then.

No one's saying Shane's a killer @ 154. He does look better than Floyd though.

Not to mention the wear and tear by the tie Shane hit up 154. Floyd doesn't have nearly as much wear and tear, and he doesn't look nearly as athletic at that weight.

He fought better opponents and looked lack luster and fought poor ones and looked lack luster. But, pretty much always lack luster.

Wear and tear or no wear and tear he always looked comparatively worse at 154. There's just no getting around it.

He clearly wasn't built for 154 and it showed almost every time.

[Scarcaztic]

Yes, he was robbed. The vast majority felt he won.

There is no way Oscar won less than 7 rounds in that fight. At worst. And I'm not even an Oscar fan.




I bring up Vargas because it again shows how underwhelming he was at 154.

Despite being passed his best, he still looks poor compared to when he was at 147. The difference is night and day.

Look at any stage in his career where he fought at 147 and 154 in quick succession.

Compare his performance against Vargas to his performance against Cotto. They are a year or so apart.

Compare his performance against Mayorga to his performance against Margarito.

Compare his performance against Oscar the first time to Oscar he second time.

Pick any point in his career and he still showed he is clearly out of his element and underwhelming at 154.



Where have I said that? Quote me.



He sure won clearly.

Uneventful fight and he didn't beat him up or do much damage. But, you don't need to do that to clearly beat some in one sided fashion in which Mayweather clearly did.



This classic one liner isn't going to work in a thread where I have clearly stated that Mayweather avoided Margarito and made a list of about 20 people I could see beating Mayweather. About 10 of which I would heavily lean on.

1)LOL. I already said, people thought he should've won by 2 rounds. Not to mention many ring side observers had Shane winning that fight, based on effective punches landed. We're not comparing Shane form Oscar 1, and Oscar 2. We're solely comparing Shane to how he looks as a JMW, and how Floyd looks as a JMW. Shane, when he first entered into the JMW division, clearly looks better physically. Movement wise. Combination punching. Speed is still somewhat there. Coordination is still there. Velocity on the punches is still there, minus the pop he had at 147. Floyd is the complete opposite. He fights like his feet are stuck in quick sand.

2) You said he looked underwhelming against Winky, but give Winky no props for making him look underwhelming. That's why I brought that up. It's called projecting. You don't have to say it to mean it.

3)Many people will tell you, it was a close fight between Floyd and Oscar. Especially for where Oscar was at his career, that doesn't look good for Floyd. Not to mention, he ducked Oscar, after Oscar wanted another fight with him.

4) I don't care whether you're a Flowmo or not. You're a hard headed bastard. Shane in the 3 fights with Winky and Oscar look undoubtedly more impressive than Floyd against Oscar and Cotto. You might not think so, but that's your opinion.

[Scarcaztic]

This is the first fight. Not the second fight.

Mosley clearly won the first fight. Which was at 147.

Mosley clearly lost to second fight. When he got announced the winner he looked more surprised than he did happy. He himself knew he didn't win the fight.

Ummm....that's actually from the second fight. I got it from the Wiki page for their second fight. I clearly remember Kellerman ( or whoever said it, during the post fight) that Shane landed the harder shots, while Oscar landed more shots.

[Scarcaztic]

Even in his washed up years, compare his performances at 154 to 147. It's not a coincidence he looked worse every time in comparison.

No, the both aren't impressive at 154 and both REALLY aren't impressive at 154.



He fought better opponents and looked lack luster and fought poor ones and looked lack luster. But, pretty much always lack luster.

Wear and tear or no wear and tear he always looked comparatively worse at 154. There's just no getting around it.

He clearly wasn't built for 154 and it showed almost every time.

Again. I never said he was a beast at 154. I said he looked much better than Floyd at 154. Why do you keep circumventing that issue, by bringing up how he looked at 147 compared to 154???

We aren't comparing Shane @ 147 to Shane @ 154.

We're comparing Shane @ 154 to Floyd @ 154.

[Scarcaztic]

IronyDinHamaza, I'm done arguing this with you.

We're comparing Shane @ 154, and Floyd @ 154. You keep bringing up Shane @ 147, which has absolutely nothing to do with it.

You keep saying that they both look lackluster @ 154, well no ****. No one said they were killers at that weight.

I'm clearly comparing Shane and Floyd @ 154, and how they both looked at that weight.

And I still think Shane looked much better than Floyd @ 154, when comparing his fights with Winky, and Oscar, and Floyd's fights with Oscar and Cotto.

And I'm out this *****.

[cixthree]

Since Flowmos will NEVER admit that he can lose a H2H fantasy match, he's obviously the greatest boxer that has ever laced up a pair of boxing gloves right? (sarcasm.)

To the Flowmos, who does he lose to @ WW???

The problem you're having is simple, it's not that he "can't be beat".
Any fighter has a chance to be beat, but finding a fighter that will "Outbox" Floyd is the problem.
Instead of asking "Who beats Floyd" with KO in mind, try and find a fighter that outboxes him over 12. (In his div)

The thing you seem to hate about Floyd is the same thing that has kept him winning and why other fighters have fallen, he fights smart.
Floyds not consumed with impressing the crowd, just winning. All the ATGs at some point have fallen into the trap of trying to impress the crowd, or take a guy out with a **** and got clipped.

If any fighter has learned from the past mistakes of fighters, it's Floyd. We all wished that he'd just explode one day, let his talent just flow. But then again that just mite be his gift, being able to harness that earge.

Floyd can be beat, but it's hard to find a fighter that outboxes him. I think you have a hard time understanding that, plus the "*****s" have a hard time communicating that.

[IronDanHamza]

1)LOL. I already said, people thought he should've won by 2 rounds. Not to mention many ring side observers had Shane winning that fight, based on effective punches landed. We're not comparing Shane form Oscar 1, and Oscar 2. We're solely comparing Shane to how he looks as a JMW, and how Floyd looks as a JMW. Shane, when he first entered into the JMW division, clearly looks better physically. Movement wise. Combination punching. Speed is still somewhat there. Coordination is still there. Velocity on the punches is still there, minus the pop he had at 147. Floyd is the complete opposite. He fights like his feet are stuck in quick sand.

We're comparing them. We're just showing that he clearly looked underwhelming in comparison at in general.

Everything you're saying is there for Mosley, was hardly there. That's the point.

It wasn't non existent, he wasn't hopeless at 154. He was capable. Just underwhelming.

2) You said he looked underwhelming against Winky, but give Winky no props for making him look underwhelming. That's why I brought that up. It's called projecting. You don't have to say it to mean it.

Mosley would always struggle with Winky despite the fact he's underwhelming regardless at 154.

Winky deserves credit none the less for beating a prime Mosley despite the fact it wasn't at his best weight and a weight he seemed not too effective at.

I have never said Winky deserves no credit for that fight. He deserves credit, absolutely.

3)Many people will tell you, it was a close fight between Floyd and Oscar. Especially for where Oscar was at his career, that doesn't look good for Floyd. Not to mention, he ducked Oscar, after Oscar wanted another fight with him.

And many people can't score a fight. Because if you think that fight was close, you simply don't know how to score a fight.

4) I don't care whether you're a Flowmo or not. You're a hard headed bastard. Shane in the 3 fights with Winky and Oscar look undoubtedly more impressive than Floyd against Oscar and Cotto. You might not think so, but that's your opinion.

He didn't look more impressive. That's down to opposition (For the fight's you're referring to) but either way they both are out of their element at 154 for the most part.

Let's say Mosley's a tad better at 154, for arguments sake. It doesn't make a difference nor change the fact he's clearly out of his element and underwhelming.

[IronDanHamza]

Ummm....that's actually from the second fight. I got it from the Wiki page for their second fight. I clearly remember Kellerman ( or whoever said it, during the post fight) that Shane landed the harder shots, while Oscar landed more shots.

Surprised that the press row scores had Mosley winning.

Most people felt Oscar won though (Because he did)

For what it's worth, from checking your source (I completely forgot about this) Arum and Oscar wanted to investigate the judges for the fight.

Like I said, there is no way Oscar won less than 7 rounds in that fight.