How About my Top 25 ATG List?

[UrDazed]

Thought I did a top 25 a while back but can't find it. Here's a quick 20. the only ones Im dfead set in their spot about are the first 6.

1. Langford
2. Greb
3. Robinson
4. Armstrong
5. Charles
6. Fitzsimmons
7. B. Leonard
8. Pep
9. Duran
10. Gans
11. Walker
12. Moore
13. Ali
14. R. Leonard
15. Ross
16. Canzoneri
17. McLarnin
18. Conn
19. Louis
20. Tunney

Very nice.

Hate Tunney anywhere near a top 25 or so though. The man wouldn't even have a black sparring partner let alone face a decent one.

[IronDanHamza]

Pretty consistent with Bert Sugar's list. Joe Louis should be a LOT higher though IMO. I also think you got Ezzard Charles and Ben Leonard a bit too high, those guys aren't top 10 from what I've seen + read. I'd stick Hagler, Willie Pep and Louis in the top 10, put Moore above Duran, and Ali #3 after Armstrong.

What have you seen and read of Ezzard Charles?

Skillwise, he's one of the greatest of all time.

Resume wise, he's one of the greatest of all time.

There's a legitimate case for him being the greatest fighter that ever lived.

[UrDazed]

What have you seen and read of Ezzard Charles?

Skillwise, he's one of the greatest of all time.

Resume wise, he's one of the greatest of all time.

There's a legitimate case for him being the greatest fighter that ever lived.

Yup. Color me baffled.

[IronDanHamza]

haha i have been reading the forum for a LONG time and the name I wanted was taken and I had just read an imdazed post so I thought what the hell why not

and i had to best mexico's finest at least in the top 20 though. i dont know, it just seemed right. and the whole 90+ without a loss is still impressive for me. he beat a solid amount of guys

your thoughts on fitzimmons? Im a bit underwhelmed on him

Resume wise, I think he's incredible. Top 10 ATG IMO.

But on film, like yourself I'm underwhelmed, very underwhelmed. But, obviously despite looking not too great on film he had the tools to get the job done.

I think the same will happen if film of Harry Greb is released. Resume wise he's arguably the greatest that ever lived.

I think we're all expecting so much and if something comes out, we'll be left underwhelmed.

Likely never to find out though.

[Mr. Fantastic]

1. Ray Robinson
2. Hank Armstrong
3. Harry Greb
4. Sam Langford
5. Ezzard Charles
6. Muhammad Ali
7. Ben Leonard
8. Roberto Duran
9. Archie Moore
10. Ray Leonard
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11. Willie Pep
12. Mickey Walker
13. Bob Fitzimmons
14. Joe Gans
15. Barney Ross
16. Pernell Whitaker
17. Joe Louis
18. Jimmy McClarnin
19. Roy Jones
20. Jimmy Wilde
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21. Julio Cesar Chavez
22. Bernard Hopkins
23. Tommy Hearns
24. Eder Jofre
25. Marvin Hagler

Can you please tell me what fights you saw from each and every one of the older greats to make you come up with the list? I'd like that thank you. There can never be an accurate list. If you didn't see them fight, just reading about them doesn't cut it.

[IronDanHamza]

harry ****ing greb? seriously?

where do u get the balls?

duran above leonard?

Obviously.

And that is the consensus amongst pretty much 100% of historians.

[UrDazed]

Resume wise, I think he's incredible. Top 10 ATG IMO.

But on film, like yourself I'm underwhelmed, very underwhelmed. But, obviously despite looking not too great on film he had the tools to get the job done.

I think the same will happen if film of Harry Greb is released. Resume wise he's arguably the greatest that ever lived.

I think we're all expecting so much and if something comes out, we'll be left underwhelmed.

Likely never to find out though.

But look at Greb's opponents. They look great on film IMO and look at Fitz's best scalps, and the clubbing cavemen he lost to.

I actually think Walker would take a lot of Fitz' competition, even some he lost to.

[UrDazed]

Obviously.

And that is the consensus amongst pretty much 100% of historians.

that guy red k'd me for that ranking, for some reason

[UrDazed]

Can you please tell me what fights you saw from each and every one of the older greats to make you come up with the list? I'd like that thank you. There can never be an accurate list. If you didn't see them fight, just reading about them doesn't cut it.

Everyone besides Greb. Watch some Charles, and prepare to be amazed.

[IronDanHamza]

But look at Greb's opponents. They look great on film IMO and look at Fitz's best scalps, and the clubbing cavemen he lost to.

I actually think Walker would take a lot of Fitz' competition, even some he lost to.

Of course, that's why refuting Greb's greatness is a difficult task. We can see how good Gene Tunney was. We can see how good a lot of the fighter's he beat were.

His resume is one of the best and that's not even debatable.

As for Fitzsimmons, that's a good point. He did lose to a lot of underwhelming fighters but he also beat great ones. He's not as great as Greb by any means but he's Top 10 calibur, for me.

I'd say Walker could easily by ranked above him, like you mention.

Have you posted here before? I think I know who you are