Why i think Canelo is a BUM.

[ИATAS]

F' that! NOBODY gets credit on who they tried to fight. From now on, we're going to be using some unified rules of boxing fandom around here.

He didn't fight Paul Williams, James Kirkland, Ortiz, Cotto or ANY OTHER 154 CONTENDER! He fought Lopez, who looked small in there with Ortiz, and pulled him up to 154 for that fight. Lopez wasn't even a knockout puncher at 140.

I think Canelo is damn good but trying to take the justification of his position anywhere beyond the eye test should not be allowed.

In fact, it's hard to give him credit for fighting anyone that he's fought when he fought them. Cintron, ESPECIALLY AT 154, shouldn't be anybody's best win. Mosley hadn't won in multiple years before Canelo got Shane's name on his boxrec. Hell, Paul Williams was still looking gross after having been knocked out, Kirkland wasn't far from being knocked out in the first round himself and Ortiz is Ortiz.

Cotto losing is what kept him from getting a real respectable name on his ledger and they still thought about fighting Cotto despite that! His team talk a good game but what they are actually doing is feeding him bums until they can draw a big name in so, if he is exposed, they get paid and can say "well that was Mayweather" or "that was Martinez", etc.

It's a smart move, actually.

I've criticized Canelo for years on NSB, so this isn't fanboy stuff I'm just keeping it real.

It's not his fault Williams got paralyzed. It's not his fault Ortiz and Cotto lost, and Kirkland messed up his shoulder.

My point was RECENTLY he's tried to fight better opponents, which should be taken into consideration. Like I said he's been protected, but I'm glad to see GB finally taking some risks.

[MVOLT]

let's see how he does vs trout first..........

[purecyse]

I've criticized Canelo for years on NSB, so this isn't fanboy stuff I'm just keeping it real.

It's not his fault Williams got paralyzed. It's not his fault Ortiz and Cotto lost, and Kirkland messed up his shoulder.

My point was RECENTLY he's tried to fight better opponents, which should be taken into consideration. Like I said he's been protected, but I'm glad to see GB finally taking some risks.

Your point IS my problem. There were reasons that those fighters were picked when they were.

Williams was pretty much done as an elite fighter. a knockout waiting to happen. See: Martinez and Lara fights.

Ortiz was another example of him picking on a smaller fighter. Two fights at 147 after getting stopped at 140 by a heavy handed puncher and a tune-up at 147 was going to lead to him fighting a champion at 154?

Kirkland? A chinny, big puncher that often neglects the body. He would have PROBABLY been a threat for 2 or 3 rounds.

I'm not taking more weak competition into consideration when pointing out that all his competition has been weak.

He's not even taking the type of risks that fighters on the rise have to take to get a belt. He fought crap before the belt, to get the belt and keeps fighting crap to defend the belt.

Canelo's mandatory challengers have to go through tournaments to get that position and NEVER fight him. The more I take this into "consideration" the more I just want to label the boy a bum. He needs to beat somebody while they're a somebody before bum posters continue to say someone is ducking him.

[Godsfly]

Your point IS my problem. There were reasons that those fighters were picked when they were.

Williams was pretty much done as an elite fighter. a knockout waiting to happen. See: Martinez and Lara fights.

Ortiz was another example of him picking on a smaller fighter. Two fights at 147 after getting stopped at 140 by a heavy handed puncher and a tune-up at 147 was going to lead to him fighting a champion at 154?

Kirkland? A chinny, big puncher that often neglects the body. He would have PROBABLY been a threat for 2 or 3 rounds.

I'm not taking more weak competition into consideration when pointing out that all his competition has been weak.

He's not even taking the type of risks that fighters on the rise have to take to get a belt. He fought crap before the belt, to get the belt and keeps fighting crap to defend the belt.

Canelo's mandatory challengers have to go through tournaments to get that position and NEVER fight him. The more I take this into "consideration" the more I just want to label the boy a bum. He needs to beat somebody while they're a somebody before bum posters continue to say someone is ducking him.

to say that you actually have idiots in here trying to defend canelo is laughable in it's self..........

[KnockUTheFukOut]

Fighting Trout would be a step in the right Direction, I think you kinda expose yourself when your purposely avoiding the Top Fighters in your Division

Regardless of what happened to Williams and Kirkland...he turned down Lara and Trout to fight a Light Welterweight, to me that was a Red Flag and was an admission by GBP that even they know he is not that good but he is very marketable because of his look and he is Mexican so Oscar and GBP are trying to protect him from losing right now

Sure they will have no choice but to eventually throw him out their and see what he is really about...either he will step up and deliver and turn non-believers into believers...OR he will be exposed as another GBP Hype Job like Danny Jacobs, Victor Ortiz, Amir Khan

[Superflo777]

You can't deny he's talented though.

[purecyse]

Fighting Trout would be a step in the right Direction, I think you kinda expose yourself when your purposely avoiding the Top Fighters in your Division

Regardless of what happened to Williams and Kirkland...he turned down Lara and Trout to fight a Light Welterweight, to me that was a Red Flag and was an admission by GBP that even they know he is not that good but he is very marketable because of his look and he is Mexican so Oscar and GBP are trying to protect him from losing right now

Sure they will have no choice but to eventually throw him out their and see what he is really about...either he will step up and deliver and turn non-believers into believers...OR he will be exposed as another GBP Hype Job like Danny Jacobs, Victor Ortiz, Amir Khan

If a fighter beats another World Champion to get their belt, I can't consider them a "Hype" job. Ortiz and Khan just are what they are...highly talented but severely flawed fighters.

[mofrekinfoe]

Almost every young talented prospect is protected! A bum looses to b level fighters like Cintron! , or a passed prime Mosley! Josesito fight was an obvious one because he beat ortiz! Do you consider him a "bum" because of the competition he's faced? Because he's not a good talented fighter? Or just dislike him period? Just so we know! Lol.

[ИATAS]

Your point IS my problem. There were reasons that those fighters were picked when they were.

Williams was pretty much done as an elite fighter. a knockout waiting to happen. See: Martinez and Lara fights.

Ortiz was another example of him picking on a smaller fighter. Two fights at 147 after getting stopped at 140 by a heavy handed puncher and a tune-up at 147 was going to lead to him fighting a champion at 154?

Kirkland? A chinny, big puncher that often neglects the body. He would have PROBABLY been a threat for 2 or 3 rounds.

All these guys you can nitpick all you want but the truth is they are all better opponents than the trash he's been fighting. So it was the step in the right direction. And that's the point. He's been protected, but recently as I said I see they are attempting to match him better. And if he fights Trout I don't know what else you could want. That's the best fight out there for him at 154.

I'm not taking more weak competition into consideration when pointing out that all his competition has been weak.

He's not even taking the type of risks that fighters on the rise have to take to get a belt. He fought crap before the belt, to get the belt and keeps fighting crap to defend the belt.

Canelo's mandatory challengers have to go through tournaments to get that position and NEVER fight him. The more I take this into "consideration" the more I just want to label the boy a bum. He needs to beat somebody while they're a somebody before bum posters continue to say someone is ducking him.

You're saying stuff I already know, man. Like I said I've been critical of Canelo for years on NSB and most of his fights were jokes. I think Ryan Rhodes was the only top 10 154 pounder he's fought (he was ranked #7) so that tells us all we need to know about the quality of opponents he's fought. As of now he's a protected hype job. I'm not arguing against that, only that recently GB has been trying to get him in the ring with better opponents and I'm not going to complain about that, especially if the news is correct and he's fighting Trout next.

[$mannyFresh]

Truth is, all of these people bashing Canelo for not fighting Kirkland, Cotto, Molina, Lara, wouldn't give him much credit for those fights because he'd be favored to win them all.

He's young and has already done more in his career than most will ever do, and more in his life than 99.9999% of us on these forums.

A greedy wbc president and eager promoters have given us plenty of reason to criticize his resume, but for a kid his age, he's way ahead of the curve.